Davaar Cave Painting vandalised !!!

[A Horse called Juan Face]

ok i apologize for using the words who cares
because obviously a lot of people do care
i should have said why do they care so much
its just someone drawing on a wall
if someone has the right to 'restore' it
then whats stopping someone painting over it?

if the police are going to arrest whoever did it, then they should arrest whoever paints it again
because hes just done the exact same thing
or is that ok because everyone will like it?

[Sweltered]

Sweltered, your response to me was so full of arrogance that I decided to ignore most of it... so I guess I wasn't paying attention!

However, your response now shows a total disregard for logic. While you may not have seen many people cross over to Davaar or even on the island itself doesn't mean that very few from the area have seen the painting for themselves! For one I doubt that you would have seen everyone that crossed and even if a few crossed each week (lets face it, there would be many days when possibly no one would cross) that would add up over the years. Then again, for all I know, you may have been so sad as to do a survey of everyone that did cross to the island

Yes, of course. But then again, I am right.

Did you know that 70% of people who live in Edinburgh have visited the castle only once, and 40 % have never visited it at all.

What is it they say about bullshit baffling brains? If 70% of the people of Edinburgh have visited the castle at least once, then how could more than 30% have never visited at all?

You certainly had them foxed this time Mr Sweltered. Is this your Primary Schooling showing you up again, or the mischievious crofter coming out in you?

Answer please, in no more than 2 paragraphs.

What is it they say, you can take the man out of the croft, but you'll never take the croft out of the man.

If you sound as if you know you are talking about, people will believe anything.

One of the best things the auld fella left me was a big wuddin spoon fur stirrin!

[Right Pongal]

What is it they say, you can take the man out of the croft, but you'll never take the croft out of the man.

If you sound as if you know you are talking about, people will believe anything.

One of the best things the auld fella left me was a big wuddin spoon fur stirrin!

Aye it's yersel Sweltered, and a damn good job your doing right enough. Jeest remember to keep stirrin and don't burn the erse oot the pot!

[ionnsaigh]

I the auld cave- aulder than Christ- aulder than man
On Turners Isle- in Campbell's Loch
I who gave you shelter in time of need
Lang before you Celts and Pict's

You who praise the painter- and the paint
That terrible scene of crucifixion that you adore
that you come tae worship on ma walls and floor
clean me up and restore - me the auld cave do implore

[petewick]

ok i apologize for using the words who cares
because obviously a lot of people do care
i should have said why do they care so much
its just someone drawing on a wall
if someone has the right to 'restore' it
then whats stopping someone painting over it?

if the police are going to arrest whoever did it, then they should arrest whoever paints it again
because hes just done the exact same thing
or is that ok because everyone will like it?

I think that the more people care, the better chance we have of catching the culprit, getting the painting restored quicker and avoiding any further incidents like this.

petewick

[Bruce]

What does it matter any more? As has been shown on here so many times, the original painting itself was an act of vandalism (or in the least, defacement) in itself. Later restorations have altered the painting so that each one is in fact a new version (defacement) of the old! The more recent act of vandalism (or defacement) is the only thing that really sparked off any discussion of the cave. Finally (and probably most importantly) Sweltered informs us that no one from Campbeltown has even seen the painting for real, but then why should they when they can see it on a post card somewhere with far less effort?

The bottom line is, once the painting is restored (and I assume it will be) the feelings towards it will be mixed. There are some that will go to see it to appreciate it for what it is - tho obviously not people from Campbeltown as they will wait for the new post card to be issued! Of those that do go to see it, some will do so for the religious connection (and will continue to see it as a shrine) and some will see it for nothing more than a painting in a cave! Others will perceive it as another act of vandalism... and some will be upset at the loss of the latest version and others will just be wishing that someone would just wash all that muck off the cave of the wall and restore it to how it was before any Celts or Picts or American tourists turned up!

[A Horse called Juan Face]

ok i apologize for using the words who cares
because obviously a lot of people do care
i should have said why do they care so much
its just someone drawing on a wall
if someone has the right to 'restore' it
then whats stopping someone painting over it?

if the police are going to arrest whoever did it, then they should arrest whoever paints it again
because hes just done the exact same thing
or is that ok because everyone will like it?

I think that the more people care, the better chance we have of catching the culprit, getting the painting restored quicker and avoiding any further incidents like this.

petewick

ok ill be serious and stop trying to wind people up
i think what happened to the painting was a bit pathetic and completely unnecessary
but its hardly the worst thing thats happening in the area at the moment

if people had the same outcry about drugs and fights and the like
maybe they could have something done about them too
also, I completely agree with Bruce

[jdcarra]

What does it matter any more? As has been shown on here so many times, the original painting itself was an act of vandalism (or in the least, defacement) in itself. Later restorations have altered the painting so that each one is in fact a new version (defacement) of the old! The more recent act of vandalism (or defacement) is the only thing that really sparked off any discussion of the cave. Finally (and probably most importantly) Sweltered informs us that no one from Campbeltown has even seen the painting for real, but then why should they when they can see it on a post card somewhere with far less effort?

The bottom line is, once the painting is restored (and I assume it will be) the feelings towards it will be mixed. There are some that will go to see it to appreciate it for what it is - tho obviously not people from Campbeltown as they will wait for the new post card to be issued! Of those that do go to see it, some will do so for the religious connection (and will continue to see it as a shrine) and some will see it for nothing more than a painting in a cave! Others will perceive it as another act of vandalism... and some will be upset at the loss of the latest version and others will just be wishing that someone would just wash all that muck off the cave of the wall and restore it to how it was before any Celts or Picts or American tourists turned up!

I think we should give it a rest.

No use slagging each other off as that only makes matters worse .

The main concern is who will, when and raising funding for the restoration .

[Malky]

The main concern is who will, when and raising funding for the restoration .

You need to read your Courier JD

Campbeltown Community Council has already set up a fund for the restoration. You can donate at the Clydesdale Bank in Longrow or the Royal Bank of Scotland on Castlehill.

In the words of the CCC spokesperson, "By donating to the fund people can do something tangible to help restore the painting to its former glory."

It will be interesting to see how much is raised

Malky

[general jack o'niell]

deleted due to apathy on my part

[general jack o'niell]

deleted due to apathy on my part

[Bruce]

sweltered is correct, bruce is wrong... 70% of locals have never even set foot on the island

I can accept that... and I guess that 40% of locals have only visited once!

[Hadrians hiring!]

ok i apologize for using the words who cares
because obviously a lot of people do care
i should have said why do they care so much
its just someone drawing on a wall
if someone has the right to 'restore' it
then whats stopping someone painting over it?

if the police are going to arrest whoever did it, then they should arrest whoever paints it again
because hes just done the exact same thing
or is that ok because everyone will like it?

I think that the more people care, the better chance we have of catching the culprit, getting the painting restored quicker and avoiding any further incidents like this.

petewick

Yep Pete,
so according to this formula, you wont catch the culprit, it will be restored on a Scottish Parliament timescale and it will happen again a fortnight later.

Beachcomber - as far as Lascaux go's, though I do belive bison and deer roamed Europe many moons ago more than I believe a chippie was the son o' God, the people that painted them images were painting their hoose for beggars sake, unlike a random cave on Davaar and so yes it should be protected more - in fact folk should not be allowed in without an invite!

[Sweltered]

I remember there was a suggestion that the millenium money should be spent on highlighting the cave painting, building a wee jetty tart up the cave etc. Where was the support then, from everyone who is so concerned now? That money would have preserved this great "asset"

What was that money spent on anyway?

Nobody going to comment?

[A Horse called Juan Face]

ok i apologize for using the words who cares
because obviously a lot of people do care
i should have said why do they care so much
its just someone drawing on a wall
if someone has the right to 'restore' it
then whats stopping someone painting over it?

if the police are going to arrest whoever did it, then they should arrest whoever paints it again
because hes just done the exact same thing
or is that ok because everyone will like it?

I think that the more people care, the better chance we have of catching the culprit, getting the painting restored quicker and avoiding any further incidents like this.

petewick

Yep Pete,
so according to this formula, you wont catch the culprit, it will be restored on a Scottish Parliament timescale and it will happen again a fortnight later.

Beachcomber - as far as Lascaux go's, though I do belive bison and deer roamed Europe many moons ago more than I believe a chippie was the son o' God, the people that painted them images were painting their hoose for beggars sake, unlike a random cave on Davaar and so yes it should be protected more - in fact folk should not be allowed in without an invite!

this is one of the more sensible points on here
u should have to pay to get on the island then stuff like this cant happen