Davaar Cave Painting vandalised !!!

[Malky]

Loads of coverage for a piddlin issue!

Hmmm.... what if this had been a painting of Mohammed The Prophet that had been vandalised? Can you imagine the outcry then? I personally think there should be more coverage - perhaps that would shame the person who did it or help track them down.

Malky

[weetoonboy]

The point to my posting dear sir is that Che Guevera was a communist rebel/ freedom fighter. Communism does not recognise religion so therefor the irony of the situation.

And my last sentence is not ridiculing the vandalism but merely pointing out that what is a minor tourist attraction has in fact now become a major one. For a while anyway. More Irony!

When was the last time you or anyone else engaged in meaningful conversation about the painting of a cult leader in a cave. This has brought it to the forefront i am sure.


Regards

Totally disgusted by the mindless act of vandalism.

Its like rain on your wedding day

It's a free ride when you've already paid

It's the good advice that you just didn't take

Its Che Guevera, On jesus's face

And who would have thought...it figures


Ah well the painting will be restored and it got on the news, that cant be a bad thing. Every cloud and all that.

Was there a point to your posting? In particular your last sentence which appears to ridicule the vandalism?

[Surfbored]

This may be something, or nothing at all.

I was interested to see if there was ANY link between Jesus and Che Guevara, so did some Googling.

I was quite surprised .............

http://www.rejesus.co.uk/expressions/fa ... y/che.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4244036.stm

http://www.churchmarketingsucks.com/arc ... ertis.html


The campaign by the Church Action Network aims to dispel notions of Jesus as a "wimp in a white nightie".


If there was anything to this, what would it mean ...

Some kind of Christan Fundamentalism?

It might be nothing, but there is a definite link !!!!

[Surfbored]

Also, "the man seen walking away from the island" seems to appear in and after the Herald article.

It states he was seen walking away from the island and also in the town .............

......surely given the amount of CCTV cameras and footage available, not just from the main cameras but also shops, banks etc, and adding even a rough description of clothing , build, time, place .............. it shouldn't exactly be rocket science to come up with something. Campbeltown isn't Metropolis.

Just another thought.

[StephenJ]

Despite his belligerence, Hadrians Hiring! makes an interesting point about the original painting being graffiti - what would the reaction have been if there had been a famous painting of Che Guevara in the town and somebody painted Jesus over it? What would the reaction be if someone spraypainted Jesus on the Kinloch Green changing rooms?

This is not an act of mindless vandalism, it is something else entirely; what it is is not clear.

The original painting is simultaneously graffiti, an artwork, a tourist attraction and a religious icon so the "vandalism" could come from nihilist, artistic, religious or, given the new image, political motivations.

http://www.fnewsmagazine.com/2005-nov/features_2.html

Perhaps it is by someone who has had a bad experience with the church, or someone who took the following quote too literally:

“In fact, if Christ himself stood in my way, I, like Nietzsche, would not hesitate to squish him like a worm”
Che Guevara

Aesthetically it looks to me like something the K Foundation or Trashbat might do, so a "guerilla artist" can't be ruled out.

If the perpetrator is caught, I think it might be quite difficult to a gain a conviction under Scottish Law as Criminal Damage (Malicious Mischief) requires a proof that there have been economic consequences and the painting may lack an "owner" for those purposes?

I'm not sure where the law stands on it being considered as Vandalism and whether political motivation consitutes "reasonable excuse" where religious artifacts are concerned.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

I'm not a buddhist and have never even seen and probably would never have had the opportunity to see the buddhas in Bamiyan Province destroyed by the Taliban, but I felt a loss for the world that they were destroyed. It isn't just the present, it is history and passion and memories, and things irreplaceable, and the total disregard of one human being for all those things important to another.

Regardless of the scale, it is the same thing.

[4th gen Suthen']

Despite his belligerence, Hadrians Hiring! makes an interesting point about the original painting being graffiti - what would the reaction have been if there had been a famous painting of Che Guevara in the town and somebody painted Jesus over it? What would the reaction be if someone spraypainted Jesus on the Kinloch Green changing rooms?

This is not an act of mindless vandalism, it is something else entirely; what it is is not clear.

The original painting is simultaneously graffiti, an artwork, a tourist attraction and a religious icon so the "vandalism" could come from nihilist, artistic, religious or, given the new image, political motivations.

http://www.fnewsmagazine.com/2005-nov/features_2.html

Perhaps it is by someone who has had a bad experience with the church, or someone who took the following quote too literally:

“In fact, if Christ himself stood in my way, I, like Nietzsche, would not hesitate to squish him like a worm”
Che Guevara

Aesthetically it looks to me like something the K Foundation or Trashbat might do, so a "guerilla artist" can't be ruled out.

If the perpetrator is caught, I think it might be quite difficult to a gain a conviction under Scottish Law as Criminal Damage (Malicious Mischief) requires a proof that there have been economic consequences and the painting may lack an "owner" for those purposes?

I'm not sure where the law stands on it being considered as Vandalism and whether political motivation consitutes "reasonable excuse" where religious artifacts are concerned.

That is very good and well written StephenJ but the beggur that dun it is still a pure bassa and should be hung by the lugs fae the Argyll Hotel!!

[Bruce]

If the perpetrator is caught, I think it might be quite difficult to a gain a conviction under Scottish Law as Criminal Damage (Malicious Mischief) requires a proof that there have been economic consequences and the painting may lack an "owner" for those purposes?

The above might be true (I'm not an expert in law), but the following may answer the ownership question:

Joe Turner, of Kildalloig Farm, Campbeltown, who has owned Davaar since 1962...

As the painting is in a cave on land owned by Mr. Turner then I assume the same Mr. Turner owns the painting! Therefore it falls to him as such to be responsible for its restoration - something I believe he hopes will happen (like many others, from Campbeltown as well as past, present and future visitors). I'm also sure that the people of the town (and others) will help raise money for the restoration if required... and even if the person that vandalised the painting (no matter what reason he gives) needs to be brought to some sort of justice (especially if his intention is to commit further vandalism elsewhere)!

[TYM]

Don't often disagree with you 4th gen but to all those who advocate violent retribution against the perpetrator (s), I would ask you to consider what would the reaction of Jesus himself have been?

It seems we have learned nothing in the 2000 years since his death as the situation in the Lebanon just now shows.

[amron]

As the saying goes God works in mysterious ways.........

so I am sure that the vandal will get his come uppance one day when he least expects it

[Ship called Dignity]

What would the reaction be if someone spraypainted Jesus on the Kinloch Green changing rooms?

We would have took it as a sign that the Club is on the up!

[Hoopoe]

Don't often disagree with you 4th gen but to all those who advocate violent retribution against the perpetrator (s), I would ask you to consider what would the reaction of Jesus himself have been?

This will be the same Jesus as overturned the tables of the money-lenders and using a corded scourge drove the sellers of oxen and sheep from the temple?

[paraffin man]

Guys,

Lets not all fall out with each other on this one.

Yes a dispicable act has been committed. Yes politically/religiously the world is in a mess, but lets get back to basics, one of the most famous things to Campbeltown has been damaged, i can remember as small kid going to DAVAAR, going to the cave & seeing this wonderful painting. I feel this is an act from someone outside the town or indeed an incomer, this must have been pre-meditated & it is actually quite sickening to think that someone could do this.

I am not a religious person by any means, but i am more bothered on the impact that this has on the local area. i hope the opriginal will be restored & i also hope we can still have the freedom to go & see this, but somehow i think it will be now difficult to do this.

I dont know what we can do, i dont think they will catch who done it & we will probably never know, we now have to look to the future & how we can recover the wonderful masterpiece.

[4th gen Suthen']

Don't often disagree with you 4th gen but to all those who advocate violent retribution against the perpetrator (s), I would ask you to consider what would the reaction of Jesus himself have been?

It seems we have learned nothing in the 2000 years since his death as the situation in the Lebanon just now shows.

Och TYM, I was only speaking in a metaphorical fashion! sure you know me. I'm sure all the others who advocated torture were only kidding too....."Love and Peace maaaaaaaan"

Anyway, upsetting and serious as all this is I really wish the Israelis and Hezbullah would stop knocking lumps out of each other......now that IS scary......
Kinda scared to give a political opinion here but it seems to me that the good guys are rapidly turning into the bad guys........

Suppose, in a way, it is not unconnected to the cave painting vandalism......kinda

[ionnsaigh]

Just a few thoughts- if I where to buy some paint in the toon, and paint an image of Christ on the cross - say over Columbia's footprints- would this act be seen as vandalism?
Perhaps the subject matter gives the original act of vandalism some misinformed degree of legitimacy.