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Re: HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM............................

Postby Ranald » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:57 pm

Annie wrote:however, do farmers want clumps of people tromping through their land, leaving their gates open for their livestock to get out onto the road


The farmers who it will affect have already been asked and the route has been designed around their responses

Annie wrote:If it was a set path and people were told they were told to stick to it then it might work.


It is a set path.

Annie wrote:Then there are other concerns, such as toilet and trash facilities ... Also, what if someone is of need of first aid???????????


I can see why people are concerned about this. Maybe the organisers have thought of something to deal with these already. Maybe not though.
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Postby take_a_pop » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:32 pm

If its naw Malky, its you Annie, yur oni bein negative, an am possitive oh that.

Annie wrote:
concerns, such as toilet and trash facilities.
In ma dey, yeh wud jeest sh_it in the woods, an wipe yur erse wae ah dochin leef.

Annie wrote:
Also, what if someone is of need of first aid???????????
Dr Snods will gee thim a plester an a peel.

If sum sully buggar wants tae spen hours wakin aboot a hill, then thits fine bae me, but when yur wantin toilets and first aid boxes, scattered a roon the hills, then ah think yur gan jeest a wee bitty to far. Ur ye naw.
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Postby Malky » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:41 pm

Perhaps if the Kintyre hills are that dangerous, the trekkers should be bussed around with an ambulance escort just in case. Also, we could send one of the bin lorries round too. :roll:

Is it just me who thinks people are going over the top with this?

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Postby paraffin man » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:43 pm

Jury's out on this one for me. I have heard about this project from the start round about 3 years ago & i wasn't convinced then, but this may work if it is done correct. lots of valid points one here & i have never heard anything about litter & toilet facillities.

I know when the army are here doing exercise they must get portaloo facilities in the middle of fields, hilss, etc. It is quite comical when you see it, army hiding in the bushes, thats whin bushes afore anybodi comes back with a smart comment, & then this blue & white portaloo beside them, hardly camoflague!

The first aid point is valid, some areas are pretty treachorous, these are also probably the most scenic, hence probably why they ahve been included, has there been any consultation with the emergency services, police & HM Coastguard being the leads on this. I would imagine that there is also potential for helicopter medi-vacs from this type of activity, can this be done in some of the areas, & what will be response times to these areas?

Jury's out!
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Postby take_a_pop » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:49 pm

An ulways thot that broon stuff wuz oan thur faces, afore they went oot tae pley.
Noo it turns oot thit they have it transported tae the feelds thur pleyin in, and in big bloo cun tainers.
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Postby Annie » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:39 am

Oh, ye know them heathin tourists! They'll be whining for all kindsa stuff. Like bottled water and toilet paper and wet naps and sandwiches and sun screen .......... it goes on and on.

There no like us Toonies who used tae go up the Broo or Lussa Loch or Bengullion -- for hoors and hours, so far yer aen mother dinne even know where ye wur!!!!!!!!!! Ye jees came hame, wore oot, and filthy dirty and got a wil' beltin' and then a bath!

I think all I had the last time I did that was a pair o' wellies and a Mars Bar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Went running roon' the Giant's Thumb, jumped the burn and went scrambling around Bluebell Hill scaring the crap outta the sheep!!!!!!!!! Went paddling for tadpoles and frogs, etc. and tore a hole in my drindle!!!!!!!!!!!

Geesh, those were the days! Makes me tired!

But however, can remember a time when a docken leaf and a nettle got a wee bit mistaken - ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby jane59 » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:37 am

Ah think the midges will be the only ones to benefit oot it all !! :twisted:
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Postby jdcarra » Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:58 am

Pop wrote:
If sum sully buggar wants tae spen hours wakin aboot a hill, then thits fine bae me, but when yur wantin toilets and first aid boxes, scattered a roon the hills, then ah think yur gan jeest a wee bitty to far. Ur ye naw..


Wur a wee bit fed up wae all the dug sh$te lying aboot, but tae add human!!!!!!!!!!!, what a thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But then, if ye think on all the thousands of walks and climbs throughout Britian and else were, has there been any reports of problems there without going in to deeply? I know people can be caught unexpectedly, but if you take into consideration stopping points on the route, villages and the town and maybe the Forestry Commission will come up with something.


As PM mentioned on first aid and possible accidents, the Police and HM Coastguard possibly/will have been consulted due to route of walk eg. hills, forestry roads, main roads and shoreline.

PM wrote:
Jury's out on this one for me. I have heard about this project from the start round about 3 years ago & i wasn't convinced then, but this may work if it is done correct.


As I mentioned in my early post, just checking back on Minutes of EKCC, it is 3 years this month at our Community Council meeting that we approved support to this walk. I hope it goes ahead, that is my view, good for the area and all associated with the tourist trade.
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Re: Kintyre Way

Postby petewick » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:02 pm

Johnnie Walker wrote:Regarding the Kintyre Way.

Have you been asked for your thoughts on this? Has there been any form of public discussion or debate? Do you think it is a good idea?

I get the impression that these are questions that have very carefully not been asked.

This may not be a terribly popular thing to say, but imagine the effect that the proposed 5,000 people a year will have, especially on the wilderness between Machrihanish and Southend. No extra toilets or facilities. Wild camping everywhere and all the human waste that it entails. That has started even now, as anyone who has visited the Galdrings last summer or even this week will know. And that is without publicity. That which is remote will no longer be so. Even if 95% of visitors behave responsibly, that still leaves hundreds of people who will not.

Yet there is no provision to clear up their damage and litter.

It also involves considerable danger. Large amounts of hazardous road walking - up the brae on this side of Saddell and right along the main road from Campbeltown to Machrihanish, to mention but two. Novice walkers, those who need waymarks to find a route, will have no concept of being caught out exposed on the Mull in a sudden mist or gale.

Yet there will be no rangers to assist them.

This is an ill conceived path, being pushed on us, farmers and public alike. Promoted by one enthusiastic Forestry Commission worker, whose job it is... but predominantly by a few recent incomers with tourist businesses well north of Campbeltown, who wish to sell Kintye for their own personal benefit; to quote their own words, as a “brand”.

I write not only as an incomer myself, albeit a few years ago now, but also as one whose wife runs a B&B and also as one of a family of walkers. We welcome visitors, but we would far rather lose any extra business and paths, than see Kintyre spoiled.

The land is available to all, now.

For a few vested outside interests to prostitute it for the sake of their own profit and in the process to kill the very soul that makes it so special...

I vote no, no Way.

Or, at least, I would have if I had been asked.




There was a questionnaire passed out to the public three years ago to gather data for a feasability study.
I disagree with what you say that the land is available now.
There are parts of Kintyre which are inaccessable due to forestation, planted there by those with outside interests to prostitute the land for their own profit, as you put it.
Sorry if this seems very one sided, but I'm a Campbeltonian by birth and had to leave my town due to redundancy and have witnessed vast economic decline to Kintyre.
Something like the Kintyre Way can only be for the good for the area, it's one of the few positives sugestions in the last few years.
I don't hear any negative reports from the West Highland or the Southern Upland routes.
People who use these paths are, in the majority very well informed and intelligent individuals who appreciate and adhere to the Country Code.
It will bring vast benefits to the area, but I detect a hint of NIMBYism in the air.

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Postby John S » Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:57 pm

I think we're all getting a bit out of proportion here look at the sums - 5000 people predicted to use it, lets say 26 weeks of the year, the way is about 80 miles, that’s 1 person every 2.9 miles per day for half the year - hardly a stampede.
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Re: Kintyre Way

Postby Johnnie Walker » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:51 pm

petewick wrote:
There was a questionnaire passed out to the public three years ago to gather data for a feasability study.

petewick


Unfortunately, I didn't see that.

petewick wrote:
I disagree with what you say that the land is available now.

petewick


Since the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003, which came into force last year, everyone has a right to go everywhere in Scotland. Not only to walk, but also to ride bikes or horses and also to camp. The only restrictions are things like the curtileges of buildings - farmyards, gardens and the like, land where crops are growing (but, even then, you can go around the edges) and areas such as golf courses, sports grounds and military sites.

petewick wrote:
There are parts of Kintyre which are inaccessable due to forestation, planted there by those with outside interests to prostitute the land for their own profit, as you put it.

petewick


I'm certainly not going to disagree with you there.

petewick wrote:
Sorry if this seems very one sided, but I'm a Campbeltonian by birth and had to leave my town due to redundancy and have witnessed vast economic decline to Kintyre.

petewick


I really am very sorry to hear about your redundancy. It is something that I have faced myself in the past and it is not pleasant. Please forgive me, however, if I ask a question that I think might be considered relevant in this context. Would the Kintyre Way have made a difference to that?

petewick wrote:
Something like the Kintyre Way can only be for the good for the area, it's one of the few positives sugestions in the last few years.

petewick


It certainly could be good for the area, if it is well planned, funded and managed and has the support of the local communities. I don't doubt that. But, as it is presently set up, I feel that it has too many cons as opposed to its pros.

petewick wrote:
I don't hear any negative reports from the West Highland or the Southern Upland routes.
People who use these paths are, in the majority very well informed and intelligent individuals who appreciate and adhere to the Country Code.

petewick


I can't really comment on that, other than to say that, at the recent meeting, the lady who managed the West Highland Way was talking of 200,000 walkers a year, telephone number sized sums in costs and funding and large numbers of people working on, maintaining and "rangering" the path. A path of effectively the same length to that proposed here; for 5,000 walkers, almost no funding and, possibly one employee. Great if it works, but who's going to pick up the pieces if it doesn't? It needs a much more substantial backup than it presently has.

petewick wrote:
It will bring vast benefits to the area, but I detect a hint of NIMBYism in the air.

petewick


Yes, it could if it is done right. And yes, I'll hold my hand up to NIMBYism. And also to being emotive on the subject.

It is our back yard. Who else will stand up for it, if not us? I realised that there was going to be some flack for this. But better that, than to have been seriously concerned and not to have asked the questions.
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Yeah!

Postby Annie » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:18 pm

Go Johnny! I wholeheartedly agree. If there is no-one that asks the relevant questions, then there is no-one to answer the questions, and therefore relevant points go undiscussed.

I indeed think that since more people are expected then it should at least get more funding, and it is just too big of an area for ONE PERSON/EMPLOYEE to care of all at once. Good God, that poor guy or girl would have to work 24/7!

I would be 100% behind it if the darn thing would bring more jobs - yeah! But one - that is not enough!
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Postby Katiemac » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:40 pm

I agree with Annie it wiz great bein a wean here in the toon with all that countryside to play in. Although we got up to high jinx noo an again we did have a respect for the countyside especially when the fermer aye seemed tae be watchin you.

I have spent many a day up in the Dale trapsing roon the forestry walks great scenery well maintained and lovely picnic areas.

But (theres aways a but)

Who exactly is going to pay for this, it may bring greatly needed tourist money into the area hotels shops bars cafes ect.. but wont the trail need maintanance paths,signs, toilets(Since the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003, which came into force last year, we have the rights to walk anywhere in Scotland) there cant be a charge at the gate to enter Kintyre so tourists wont be paying for their wee walk directly.

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Postby Ranald » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:08 am

Katiemac wrote:I agree with Annie it wiz great bein a wean here in the toon with all that countryside to play in. Although we got up to high jinx noo an again we did have a respect for the countyside especially when the fermer aye seemed tae be watchin you.

I have spent many a day up in the Dale trapsing roon the forestry walks great scenery well maintained and lovely picnic areas.

But (theres aways a but)

Who exactly is going to pay for this, it may bring greatly needed tourist money into the area hotels shops bars cafes ect.. but wont the trail need maintanance paths,signs, toilets(Since the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003, which came into force last year, we have the rights to walk anywhere in Scotland) there cant be a charge at the gate to enter Kintyre so tourists wont be paying for their wee walk directly.

:?


As far as I know, though I could be wrong, its the Kintyre Marketing Group's project so they'd presumably have to pay for it, possibly along with the Forestry Commission since much of it is on their land.
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Postby jdcarra » Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:49 am

Ranald wrote:
Katiemac wrote:I agree with Annie it wiz great bein a wean here in the toon with all that countryside to play in. Although we got up to high jinx noo an again we did have a respect for the countyside especially when the fermer aye seemed tae be watchin you.

I have spent many a day up in the Dale trapsing roon the forestry walks great scenery well maintained and lovely picnic areas.

But (theres aways a but)

Who exactly is going to pay for this, it may bring greatly needed tourist money into the area hotels shops bars cafes ect.. but wont the trail need maintanance paths,signs, toilets(Since the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003, which came into force last year, we have the rights to walk anywhere in Scotland) there cant be a charge at the gate to enter Kintyre so tourists wont be paying for their wee walk directly.

:?


As far as I know, though I could be wrong, its the Kintyre Marketing Group's project so they'd presumably have to pay for it, possibly along with the Forestry Commission since much of it is on their land.



You stand correct Ranald, it was the Kintyre Marketing Group's project with Mr Bob Chicken as Chairman and Mr Adams a member or an interested party.
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