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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Sport » Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:45 pm

Good to see the Council agreed that to move forward with an Outline Business Case at the least.

http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/moderngov ... 6&MId=3962

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1. Agreed that the Head of Facility Services undertake the development of an Outline Business Case (OBC), separate from the Campbeltown CHORD Project, which will identify the preferred option for the procurement of a new All Weather Pitch at either Kinloch Green or at the Grammar School site; and

2. Agreed to instruct the Head of Facility Services to prepare a Project Initiation Document setting out the scope, process, timetable and resources required to undertake the OBC for consideration by the Campbeltown CHORD Project Board and then the Programme Management Board.
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby idontbelieveit » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:22 pm

I began to read the posts on this subject yesterday evening. From looking at the problem from a distance it is quite clear that an all-weather pitch would be great asset to the town. What I have also noticed in quite a few of the post's is that a lot of the writers of which, are more concerned with the adult football sides being able to fulfill there SAFL fixtures during bad weather, so does that mean that they would get first refusal on the pitch than say a bunch of children who want to play. Im not against the local sides in the town in the slightest as what they do for the local community is very good. Im not to sure how long the local groups/councils have been asking for the AWP, but has anybody actually tried to raise money or apply for funding or are you all going to sit infront of your computers and moan that Campbeltown doesnt get anything and is always last in line for anything. Or do people forget (new swimming pool, welcom/vestas, town centre regeneration, new police station, new houses being built, new golf course, skate park). What im basically saying is that somebody, or some group should grab this by the balls and really go at it.
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Davie P » Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:21 pm

Idontbelieveit - Good to see fresh contributions to this debate and campaign. I didn't reply after reading your e-mail as I thought perhaps it would stiffle more debate and questions etc.

The provision of an AWP in Campbeltown has been on the Sports Council's agenda for a number of years. We have literally been shoved about from pillar to post on this one. There is alot to be said on the whole subject and the Sports Council are meeting tomorrow night where we will discuss the AWP Campaign. There actually has been some movement on this front and Argyll & Bute Council have agreed that the Council will undertake the development of an Outline Business Case examing two sites - one at the Grammar School and the other at Kinloch Green. More information can be found at

http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/moderngov ... 6&MId=3962

And supported on Friday again at

http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/moderngov ... 3&MId=3988

The fortunate position is the Council completed an Outline Business Case (OBC) in 2008 so it is already extensive. It looks like there will be a meeting of local interested parties etc (stakeholders) in mid February which will be facilitated by Argyll & Bute Council and I suspect will see attendees from SportScotland, SFA etc. All in all the OBC is expected to be completed by April and at the same time an application will be made to SportScotland for funding.

Could go on and on about this subject but if anyone is interested please come along tomorrow night and add your support. (meeting is at 7pm in the Aqualibrium)

idontbelieveit wrote:What I have also noticed in quite a few of the post's is that a lot of the writers of which, are more concerned with the adult football sides being able to fulfill there SAFL fixtures during bad weather, so does that mean that they would get first refusal on the pitch than say a bunch of children who want to play. Im not against the local sides in the town in the slightest as what they do for the local community is very good.


I guess times it depends how you read things. I've posted quite a few "things" about adult football but this is merely supporting information and fact and gives us justification for the AWP. For the Sport Council to simply say "We want one, because we need one" isn't unfortunately enough to get one (some of us are wondering what is however! 8) ). The posts I have made with regards the Amateur Teams who play in the SAFL are because the teams have provided information to us. We need the same for every group, age group and sporting organisation and we plan to in gather as much information as possible about this in the next couple of weeks in preparation of the meeting in February and ultimately the Council's OBC. If you or anyone else can provide supporting information, again, please do so. (you will note from previous comments we also highlight and support the development of Rugby, Shinty etc which an AWP could be used for.)

The AWP isn't something that is free to use so the pitch will have to be booked etc (so teams simply won't get it before kids and anyway there are only so many times teams and clubs can afford to play on one of these a week).

idontbelieveit wrote:Im not to sure how long the local groups/councils have been asking for the AWP, but has anybody actually tried to raise money or apply for funding or are you all going to sit infront of your computers and moan that Campbeltown doesnt get anything and is always last in line for anything. What im basically saying is that somebody, or some group should grab this by the balls and really go at it.


This question has been raised before at our meetings but this would be an unbelievable task and burden for any local community to take on. We are talking about raising anything from £650,000 to £1.3 million here. The facility then would become a community enterprise and you only need to look at the situation in Lochgilphead with regards the pool to ask why anyone or group would burden themselves with this? AND we have to ask ourselves if the Council has provided these facilities the length and breadth of Argyll why should Campbeltown deliver one themselves? There are plenty of comments on here about this but it was just to say that we aren't all sitting behind a computer screen doing nothing about it. In fact the next few weeks could prove to be vital to the delivery of an AWP so please support our campaign.

So please start by adding your name to our on-line petition.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/cam ... tures.html
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Kintyre Forum News » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:54 pm

South Kintyre Sports Council and its member clubs, will meet with Argyll & Bute Council next Thursday (18th February) to discuss how the stakeholder/public consultation process for the possible delivery of an All Weather Pitch in Campbeltown will progress. (please note this is NOT a public meeting )

PMR Leisure has been appointed to undertake Argyll & Bute Council’s Facility and Playing Field Strategy in partnership with sportscotland and will also assist the Council’s All Weather Pitch Project Team to complete the Stage 1 application to sportscotland in April. This application will give the project formal feedback on sportscotland’s view – and will act as a barometer for the likelihood of gaining matching funding from them. PMR are also planning to visit Campbeltown week commencing 1st March and details on this visit will appear here, on the Kintyre Forum.

The week after the group will take advantage of the CHORD public consultation day to feedback where the project is and get further public view.

Thursday’s meeting will be held at the conference room at the Aqualibrium at 7:00pm.

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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Kintyre Forum News » Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:45 pm

There was a healthy turn out at tonight's meeting where Sandy MacTaggart of Argyll & Bute Council explained that the Council will complete an OBC looking at the two possible sites in Campbeltown - the upper playing field at the Grammar School and Kinloch Park

Consultancy company PMR Leisure ( http://www.pmrleisure.co.uk/), who are working on the Council's Facilities and Playing Field Strategy, will complete the Stage 1 application on behalf of the Council to SportScotland for potential funding of the All Weather Pitch.

The important factor for the community is to support Kinloch Green as this will open up potential funding for the AWP under the CHORD project which is the project that will see £6.5 million spent on the re-development of Park Square, with a new road, relocation of the Roads Depot, Kinloch Road and the marina. There is real potential for the funding of the AWP. (there is no doubt that Kinloch Green is now the only option as the site at the school may be the site of the new grammar! but support has to shown)

There will be an open meeting of the CHORD project in Campbeltown in March and this will be a good oportunity for the local community to support the AWP on Kinloch Green.

In the meantime PMR will be sending a survey out to local clubs with regards facilities etc and this should be completed to hightlighed the lack of the AWP in Campbeltown (and other facilities but that is a separate thread)

The campaign continues! 8)
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby smiles » Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:13 pm

Is this just all talk or is there a feeling something is actually going to happen?

Kintyre Forum News wrote:The important factor for the community is to support Kinloch Green


It makes sense to be on Kinloch Road especially next to the Aqualibriuim. Interesting to note the switch to Kinloch Park when you read back and see some resistance from years before and most notably some of the ones who are vocal on this forum about it.
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Davie P » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:26 am

smiles wrote:Interesting to note the switch to Kinloch Park when you read back and see some resistance from years before and most notably some of the ones who are vocal on this forum about it.


smiles - will get back to you on this. There are a number of reasons for this. Perhaps you'd come along to the meetings and find out more? I'll also get back to you with regards a previous comment about "what the Sports Council do too" as added to a comment made last night at the meeting that has pissed me off. 8)

On another note, and more important note, the one thing the Council will have to do is build a business case in terms of usage of a possible AWP in Campbeltown. Outwith the sports clubs in Campbeltown are there any groups who would informally use the pitch for a kick about - with a group of mates, work pals etc - based on a third of the pitch at £15 per hour (that is an attractive price given the costs for grass pitches and the Vic). Think there are a number of lads who get together informally for 5s in the Vic so these are the types of groups that would be target users etc and of course any groups who say the would form due to have an AWP.
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby bud » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:44 pm

i'd certainly hope myself and some mates would use this a couple of times each week

at 15 quid for a hour this is reallp cheep but will ensure people will use it

really would be great if we got an awp in the town. for young people this would be a great facility to use especially over the winter
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Kintyre Forum News » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:51 am

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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Sport » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:40 am

Kintyre Forum News wrote:Image


We really do need your support, please do go along and say you support the provision of an AWP. Please. This is our only opportunity for a 3G pitch in Campbeltown.

Wonderful piece on the For Argyll website published today :mrgreen: SEE
http://forargyll.com/2010/03/drop-in-an ... ment-34307
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Swanseajock » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:05 pm

I may be way off the mark, and it is one of the bees in my bonnet, but regarding fund raising, why can the Scottish Government find money for Gigha residents to buy the island(presumably a "class war" thing) and no money for the much larger community of the town to aid in the healthy future of the young (and not so young)? :o
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Kintyre Forum News » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:53 am

Argyll & Bute Council confirmed they have submitted a Stage 1 application to SportScotland for the provision of an All Weather Pitch in Campbeltown. Council will hear the outcome of that in 4 weeks by the start of May.
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Sport » Wed May 26, 2010 10:10 pm

Kintyre Forum News wrote:Argyll & Bute Council confirmed they have submitted a Stage 1 application to SportScotland for the provision of an All Weather Pitch in Campbeltown. Council will hear the outcome of that in 4 weeks by the start of May.


Some light at the end of the tunnel? We certainly hope so! SportScotland have indicated that following the Stage 1 Application submitted by Argyll & Bute Council that they will support the provision of an AWP on Kinloch Green with new changing rooms to the sum of £350,000! The Council have already appointed PMR Leisure to submit the Stage 2 Applicati...on by the end of the summer. Now all we need is the Council to add the other 50% to their capital programme!!

Fingers crossed!
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Kintyre Forum News » Thu May 27, 2010 10:27 pm

Sport wrote:
Kintyre Forum News wrote:Argyll & Bute Council confirmed they have submitted a Stage 1 application to SportScotland for the provision of an All Weather Pitch in Campbeltown. Council will hear the outcome of that in 4 weeks by the start of May.


Some light at the end of the tunnel? We certainly hope so! SportScotland have indicated that following the Stage 1 Application submitted by Argyll & Bute Council that they will support the provision of an AWP on Kinloch Green with new changing rooms to the sum of £350,000! The Council have already appointed PMR Leisure to submit the Stage 2 Applicati...on by the end of the summer. Now all we need is the Council to add the other 50% to their capital programme!!

Fingers crossed!


Yes fingers crossed indeed! Some more information directly from the Council

Sportscotland have invited Argyll & Bute Council to compete for funding for an all weather sports pitch in Campbeltown from their Sports Facility Lottery Fund. The project was approved in principle at sportscoltland’s recent Sports Facility Fund meeting as a ‘high priority’ application and the second stage of the process involving detailed costing, specification, planning and operation can now be progressed.

The All Weather Pitch has been a high priority of the Kintyre sporting community and has wide support from sports groups including South Kintyre Sports Council whose campaign has helped convince the lottery board of its need. Similar developments in other parts of Argyll and Bute through both the NPDO Schools programme and lottery funded projects have helped dramatically increase the number of people active in sport as well as increase the number of sports coaches.

The Campbeltown All Weather Pitch is intended to be sited adjacent to Aqualibrium on Kinloch Green and will be operated as part of the leisure centre. The project also includes the refurbishment of the Kinloch Green changing pavilion to allow team changing. The completed facilities will be used by sports organizations, schools, Active Schools and casual users who will be able to book the pitch or a section of the pitch through Aqualibrium.

The development has been part of the emerging Sports Facility and Pitches Strategy for Argyll and Bute which is due for completion in June 2010 and will contain recommendations and plans for the future use and development of the Council’s stock of facilities as well as highlight potential developments over the next ten years.
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Re: Not playing fair! Campbeltown and Kintyre deserves better

Postby Ship called Dignity » Sat May 29, 2010 12:52 pm

I think the fact that Argyll & Bute Council have appointed PMR to complete the stage 2 application is great news and shows how seriously they are taking the provision of an AWP in Campbeltown. (at last! 8) )

The Council now have a real opportunity to provide a top class sporting facility and would be stupid to throw away the opportunity of nearly 50% funding. Looks like the CHORD project isn't an option (which is a real shame as it would be shining example of the project but hey ho! :( ) so the pressure has to be put on to the Council to ensure this forms part of their capital programme for 2011 when they put this together in October.

Fingers crossed indeed.
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