A Letter to Campbeltown dated September 1835

[History]

Charles

Agnes who lived at Darlochan had a brother Hugh. He was 16 at the time the census was taken on the 30th March 1851 so it is not the same as the Hugh you mention.

No idea about Malcolm though. Do you think that when they talk of Darlochan it could be East Darlochan or The Rhoin as it is more commonly known?

Where do the Kelly's come in?

I will pm you

History

[cgms310]

Good evening History!

I got your PM. Much appreciated and I have replied.

From what I discovered only today from the King County Historical Society here in Canada is that the Kelly's were also a large farming family in Campbeltown.

This is where this gets rather interesting!!!!.

Alexander Stewart married Catherine Kelly and John Kelly married Katherine Stewart around the same time!!!

So we are twice interlocked as a family.

I am going to add below, the e-mail attachment I received today from the K C society. It reveals some of the strength of character our ancestors had, who faced brutal weather and some would say insurmountable odds to carve a new life for themselves and their family in the "new world". I am humbled by their achievement and honored to be akin to them via my ancestors.

Received from Ms Eleanor Sibbert:

June 6th, 2008



Descendants of John Kelly


Generation No. 1

1. JOHN1 KELLY He married KATHERINE STEWART.

Child of JOHN KELLY and KATHERINE STEWART is:
2. i. ARCHIBALD SR.2 KELLY, b. Bet. 1797 - 1801, Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland.


Generation No. 2

2. ARCHIBALD SR.2 KELLY (JOHN1) was born Bet. 1797 - 1801 in Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland. He married MARY Bef. 1835 in Scotland. She was born Abt. 1811.

Notes for ARCHIBALD SR. KELLY:
(from 1851 Canadian Census; District: York, District No: 42Sub-District: King, Sub-District No: 403)
Kelley Archy farmer Scotland Presbyterian 50 M M
Kelley Mary Scotland Presbyterian 40 F M
Kelley Hector labourer Canada Presbyterian 16 M S
Kelley Mary Canada Presbyterian 14 F S
Kelley John labourer Canada Presbyterian 12 M S
Kelley Robert labourer Canada Presbyterian 10 M S
Kelley Jane Canada Presbyterian 7 F S
Kelley Catharine Canada Presbyterian 6 F S
Kelley Archy Canada Presbyterian 3 M S

(from 1871 Canadian Census)
KELLY, ARCHIBALD
Sex:Male
Age:75
Place of Birth:SCOTLAND
Religion:Presbyterian
Origin:SCOTCH
Occupation:Farmer ( F)
District:YORK NORTH (043), Sub-district:King (A), Division:2
Page:20, Microfilm reel number:C-9964, Reference:RG31 — Statistics Canada

(from 1881 Canadian Census; King, York North, Ontario)
Archibald KELLEY M Male Scottish 84 Scotland Farmer Church of Scotland
Mary KELLEY M Female Scottish 72 Scotland Church of Scotland
Archibald KELLEY Male Scottish 32 Ontario Farmer Church of Scotland
Catherine KELLEY Female Scottish 34 Ontario Church of Scotland

(from Early Settlements of King Township by Elizabeth McClure Gillham)
"One of the first families to come to New Scotland was that of Archibald Kelly, Sr. Archie and Mary Kelly, with their family, came to Canada in 1832 from Scotland. They walked all the way to King Township from York, and spent their first night in the bush on lot 15, east half, concession 7, in a rough cabin of pine brush and logs which they had constructed during the day. Their first neighbours were friendly Indians living by a small lake which later was called Kelly's Lake. The family thrived; according to Archie Kelly Jr., this was because his brothers and sisters never had anything to do with doctors and followed a diet that would be considered fatal by most people today. But John Kelly lived to the age of ninety-one, his brother Hector to eighty, and other members of the family passed three score years and ten. 'Nobody in the family ever had high blood pressure, and they ate preserved fruit done pound for pound with sugar", declared Archie Kelly Jr....."


More About ARCHIBALD SR. KELLY:
Date born 2: June 11, 1797
Baptism: June 15, 1797, Darlochan, Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland
Individual Note 1: Lived by small lake which was then named "Kelly's Lake".
Individual Note 2: Source Information for birth and baptism: LDS, Batch Number: 7229801; Sheet:13; Source Call No.:0822534
Property: 1832, Lot 15, concession 7, King Township, York County, Ontario

More About ARCHIBALD KELLY and MARY:
Marriage: Bef. 1835, Scotland

Children of ARCHIBALD KELLY and MARY are:
i. HECTOR3 KELLY, b. Abt. 1835; d. Abt. 1915.

Notes for HECTOR KELLY:
(from 1871 Canadian Census)
KELLY, HECTOR
Sex:Male
Age:35
Place of Birth:Ontario
Religion:Presbyterian
Origin:SCOTCH
Occupation:CARPENTER
District:YORK NORTH (043), Sub-district:King (A), Division:2
Page:39, Microfilm reel number:C-9964, Reference:RG31 — Statistics Canada


ii. MARY KELLY, b. Abt. 1837.
iii. JOHN KELLY, b. Abt. 1839; d. Abt. 1930; m. ELIZABETH CAIRNS, January 09, 1873, King Township, York County, Ontario; b. Abt. 1843; d. Bef. 1881.

Notes for JOHN KELLY:
(from 1881 Canadian Census; King, York North, Ontairo)
It would appear that John was widowed and his sister Jane lived with him.
John KELLY W Male Scottish 39 Ontario Farmer Presbyterian Canada
Jane KELLY Female Scottish 30 Ontario Presbyterian Canada

(from 1901 Canadian Census, King, York North, Ontario)
Kelly John M Head S Dec 1840 60
Kelly Robert M Brother S Sep 13 1842 58
Kelly Archibald M Brother S Jul 18 1849 51
Kelly Jane F Sister S Mar 2 1845 55
Graham Austin M ? S Dec 7 1880 20


Marriage Notes for JOHN KELLY and ELIZABETH CAIRNS:
(from Ontario Marriage Registrations)
#013422-73 (York Co): John KELLY, 32, farmer, King, same, s/o Archibald & Mary, married Elizabeth CAIRNS, 30, King, same, d/o John & Margaret, witn: William CAIRNS & Robert KELLY, both of King, 9 Jan 1873 at King.

More About JOHN KELLY and ELIZABETH CAIRNS:
Marriage: January 09, 1873, King Township, York County, Ontario

iv. ROBERT KELLY, b. Abt. 1841.
v. JANE KELLY, b. Abt. 1844.
vi. CATHARINE KELLY, b. Abt. 1845; m. UNKNOWN STEWART.
vii. ARCHIE JR. KELLY, b. Abt. 1848.

Notes for ARCHIE JR. KELLY:
(from 1911 Canadian Census; King, York North, Ontario)
Kelly Archibald M Head S Jul 1849 52
Kelly Jane F Sister S Mar 1845 66
Kelly Hector M Brother-in-law S 1836 75
Kelly Percilla F Niece S Feb 1892 19

viii. PETER KELLY, b. Abt. 1848.

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Have a great weekend!



Charles.

[oorly gourlay]

I have no problem with the Darlochans and Carskiey but am I the only one wondering where Kelchusbanach is? Does it still exist but with a more modern name?

oorly

[cgms310]

Hello oorly!

A great question and one I obviously overlooked. Let us hope someone knows the answer!

I was reading an extract from Dr. David Jackson's "Park Stewarts" who it appears I am related too (as verbally confirmed to me by Angus Martin).

In his remarks, he makes mention of the original name of High Park, that being "Skeroblinraid". I would also like a confirmation of that name.

Dr. Jackson also mentions other families to whom we are apparently related:

The Cooks of Skipness
The Taylors of Skipness
The McDonalds near Glenbarr and
the Stewart's at Calliburn.

If any of you are out there, I would enjoy hearing from you.

Regards,



Charles.

[History]

Could Kelchusbanach be Kilchousland??

History

[oorly gourlay]

History, that was my own perception of the name because of the "kelchus" but does "banach" translate to "land". Oh to have my father's native tongue.

oorly

[John A]

This might be complete rubbish as to the modern day identity of Kelchusbanach but I asked my father today about our ancestors and he said the only Alexander Armour he had on the family tree that fitted the time or before the letter was written was in Kilwhipnach farm as I say it could be on the wrong track but you never know!!

[Malky]

Kilchousland is a corruption of Cill Chuisilein which apparently means Church of Constantine.

Kelchusbanach is probably Cill Choidhbeannaich which is now known as Kilwhipnach.

Hope that helps. It's from a book of gaelic place names I have.

Edit: For High Park and Skeroblinraid go to http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite and type in the postcode PA28 6NY. You should see both places on the map.

Malky

[cgms310]

Many thanks for all the replies.

What an outstanding group of people you have in this forum!

With my best regards,


Charles.

[IainJ]

I was brought up on Kilwhipnach Farm and came accross the map below a few years ago which names the farm as Kilchubnach. I got it from the following URL http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/581.html



Iain

[EMDEE]

Interesting link that. Apart from Kilwhipnach, it shows how much the other farm names have changed over the years.

[Twilight]

[4th gen Suthen']

It is Twilight, and I am sitting in it right now!

[cgms310]

I was brought up on Kilwhipnach Farm and came accross the map below a few years ago which names the farm as Kilchubnach. I got it from the following URL http://www.nls.uk/maps/early/581.html



Iain

Good evening Iain!

Thank you so much for the map link, just excellent!

Now, I recently received a map from my new found “Campbeltownian” friend Doug McMillan (now here in Ontario), who kindly copied the Scotland Survey map of 1987 and I have been comparing them for about an hour now with the following "possible" conclusions.

My thinking is that High Park was originally called Gartgonel and not Skeroblinraid as mentioned by David Jackson who wrote "Park Stewarts". I say this only because I have a birth certificate for one of my ancestors that showed what I "thought" was Garlgrollen but as you can see, the old writing may just be Gartgonel. If High Park was NOT Gartgonel, then perhaps this was yet another Stewart operated farm? If I can copy the document I will post it here later tonight.

So I respectfully throw myself on the mercy of the fine folk of Campbeltown once again to either concur, or throw me to the wolves!!

Regards,


Charles.

[cgms310]

Andrew Stewart’s birth record as discussed above.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/ ... rt1784.jpg

Any help discovering the name of the farm or region this record refers to would be highly appreciated along with that of his brother Alexander Stewart's record (see link below)which seems to show Auchonlore or Auchanlone as the place of birth. Is this yet another farm?

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/ ... rt1786.jpg

Regards,


Charles.

p.s. if you cannot read these I will try to blow them up!