Carswell and Campbell families

[Tigrib]

Neil Campbell (and Samuel and John's) parents were Archibald Campbell and Christian McColl.

I cannot trace Neil's son's Andrew (born Kilcalmonell 1830 )and Neil (born Kilcalmonell 1836 ), or Samuel's son's Archibald (born Kilcalmonell 1818 ) and Colin (born South Knapdale 1833 ). Did they emigrate ? Many people from this area emigrated to the Ontario area of Canada;especially in the 1840's and 1850's.
Neil 's brother Samuel got married in 1818 in Kilcalmonell;they must have all been living there then !

Hello again mungo: here is an update regarding Neil Campbell's son Neil, born Kilcalmonell 28 Apr 1836. He married Elizabeth Wylie in Greenock on 1 July 1862, occupation: seaman. Residence 1881 Greenock, 1891 and 1901 Woolwich (Naval Dockyards),death 1901 Woolwich. Elizabeth too died in Woolwich in 1900. They had 3 sons: Neil 1864, Archibald 1866, George 1871.
Could you tell me where you got the information regarding Archibald being a tenant in 1800 near Gartnagrenach in "Lecknam*?*" - sorry forgot the exact name. Would like to research further into old Archibald if possible. Any clues?

[mungo]

Thank you to Tigrib for all the information supplied re. Neil's son Neil and John Campbell b.1791.
3 John Campbell's married in Kilcalmonell and Kilberry around this time, -2 in 1818 and 1 in 1815. I feel sure we have the right one thanks to the tomb stone which confirms his date of birth;however,I am still researching the other 2 if possible,to completely illiminate them. The one to Janet McEachern on 12.dec.1818 looks interesting ,as the 1st. daughter is called Christian.
The marriage register for CLACHAN,Kintyre page 206-
1st. entry- 24.Jan.1818 Samuel Campbell and Mary Mccorquodale
2nd.entry- 31.Jan.1818 John Campbell and Peggy Livingston.
-only one week apart ! Now to start researching old Archibald Campbell !

[mungo]

Archibald Campbell,father of John,Samuel and Neil I have already written about.I have found 3 mentions of Archibald Campbell in Kilcalmonell;is one of them our Archibald Campbell ?
1.'Kintyre Smugglers' from the Kintyre Magazine ,issue 37.(google - kinytre smugglers campbell ),mentions 3 Campbell's,A McKinven and a Donald McCorquodale all in Kilcalmonell in Feb.1800. It mentions an Archibald Campbell,tenant,Leamnamuick (this farm is next door to Gartnagrenach, -see 1.25 O.S .map )
Samuel Campbell married Donald McCorquodale's daughter Mary in Clachan on 24.Jan.1818,and are both buried in Gartnagrenach graveyard.
2. In the 1841 census there is an Archibald Campbell ( born abt. 1771 ) living at Sheridruim,Kilcalmonell. This is across the road from Leamnamuick and Gartnagrenach.
3.On 20.Feb.1795 Archibald Campbell in Lochkianan had a son baptised Archibald (Kilcalmonell and Kilberry .)( Loch Ciaran is just 1 mile south of Clachan.)In the 1851 census Archibald Campbell b.1795 in Kilcalmonell,address - White House School,occupation ag.lab. ( in 1841 census add. is Lagoonllin .)
I would like to find out more about Archibald Campbell and his wife Christian McColl !

[McCorquodale queries]

Hi,
I have been researching McCorquodale ancestors and descendents back to/from Clachan area. I am descended from Donald McCorquodale of Clachan, buried at Gartnagrenach. I had tried to trace any other descendents but had little luck. I was surprised when i saw this discussion re Campbell lines, referring to descendents from my ancestors sister. Good to see someone, only found a few others to date.

[Doreen]

Mungo - I too would love to find out more about Archibald Campbell and Christian McColl. Also Christian's 2 brothers Duncan and Donald. It's so easy to go off on completely the wrong track as there were obviously so many Campbells in Kilcalmonell and Kilberry.

McCorquodale queries - McCorquodale name can be tricky to research, I think, because of different forms of spelling. Good luck with that.

[mungo]

Neil Campbell's(1794-1864) brother Samuel(1793-1863) had 6 children,as mentioned here previously.In the 1841 census they were all living in Kilcalmonell.
1.Archibald,b.1818 in kilcalmonell possibly went to the Ontario area of Canada after 1841c.
2.Donald (Daniel),b.1820 ,married Margaret ROBERTSON in July 1845 at Fowlis Wester;and Madderty,Perth.(in 1851c he is Donald;in 1861c he is Daniel ) They had 4 children - Benjamin Robertson C.,Ann Malcolm C.,Samuel C. and John Daniel Campbell.The family moved to Ireland in the mid-1860's.(Benjamin spent most of his life living in Honolulu, Hawaii.)
3.Ann,b.1822,married James Scott in Sept.1844 at Stirling;and Madderty,Perth.They had a daughter called Mary.
4.Christian,b.1825,married Archibald Smith in Apr.1854.They had 5 children.
5.Jane,b1827,married Alexander Fraser in Jan.1856.
6.Colin,b.1833 in Lochead,South Knapdale;single in 1861c;possibly emigrated.

[Doreen]

Thanks for this information Mungo. I've got some of it already. I've been having a look at Jane Campbell and Alexander Fraser. I can find no trace of them after their marriage. Would you have any idea where they went? The information on Donald is really helpful - I had none of that. I have Colin Campbell marrying Margaret Munro in 1856 and they had 4 children.

Doreen

[Tigrib]

Hi Doreen,
Colin Campbell who married Margaret Munro in Barony Glasgow in 1856 was the son of a John Campbell (quarry labourer) and Mary Campbell nee Campbell.This Colin was a seaman.
Colin, son of our Samuel, was single in 1861 and occupation "Fish curer".
I will try and attach copy of the marriage record to a PM to you or email you.
Best Regards. B.

[Tigrib]

I have Archibald, shoemaker, married Sarah Graham b. 1825 on 13 Dec 1845 in North Knapdale. He had 6 children, John born 1847, Agnes 1848, Archibald 1850, Archibald 1857, Catherine 1859, Donald 1862. The children were all born at Greenock, where the family is living in census records 1851,61,71,81 at 65 Main Street, 47 Main Street, 11 Belville Street respectively.
I haven't found his death yet and therefore can't be sure whether his father is Samuel or not, but am still looking at the emigration angle, too.
Mungo, as you said earlier that you are a descendant of Samuel's, can you say a little more about your link to him as it would be nice to be able to place you into the wider family tree, and I would be very happy to share more information with you.

[mungo]

When Samuel Campbell (b.1793) died in 1863 Donald/Daniel inherited,possibly because his older brother Archibald was living abroad.When Samuel's wife Mary died in 1867 their 3 daughters inherited the remainder.(Wills and Testaments-scotlandspeople.gov.uk),-no mention of Archibald or Colin ! I descend from Daniel Campbell and Margaret Robertson.
The Archibald Campbell (b.abt 1821),shoemaker,who worked,and died in Greenock in 1885,father was called Archibald,a farmer;mother Mary -according to the Death Cert. ,is not of our family.

[Doreen]

Thanks for the excellent information Mungo! I have to admit I have been feeling a little confused recently, and made some mistakes in my connections, but hopefully all is sorted now.

It's funny you saying that Benjamin Campbell spent most of his life living in Hawaii - a cousin of my Dad's lived in Hawaii for many, many, years and his wife, if she is alive, will be living there still. (He was a descendant of Neil Campbell and Margaret Carswell, as am I.)

Kind regards.

[mungo]

Neil Campbell's (b.1794) brother John (b.1791) married Margaret (Peggy ) Livingston on 31.Jan.1818.John died in 1825 aged 34 years.Two of their 4 children were Isabel (b.1820) and Mary (b.1823).Margaret Livingston died in 1881 aged 88 years.
Did Margaret get married again ? Do we know any more about Margaret and her daughters Isabel and Mary after 1825 ?
Her eldest son James (b.1818) was killed by pirates in China in 1847.Was James married ? Do we know anything more about James ?
A Memorial-stone has been erected in Gartnagrenach graveyard in memory of John Campbell and his wife Margaret Livingston,and their son James.It was placed there by their son John (b.1825),a baker living in Greenock with his family. All 4 children were born in Kilcalmonell.

[Tigrib]

Neil Campbell's (b.1794) brother John (b.1791) married Margaret (Peggy ) Livingston on 31.Jan.1818.John died in 1825 aged 34 years.Two of their 4 children were Isabel (b.1820) and Mary (b.1823).Margaret Livingston died in 1881 aged 88 years.
Did Margaret get married again ? Do we know any more about Margaret and her daughters Isabel and Mary after 1825 ?
Her eldest son James (b.1818) was killed by pirates in China in 1847.Was James married ? Do we know anything more about James ?
A Memorial-stone has been erected in Gartnagrenach graveyard in memory of John Campbell and his wife Margaret Livingston,and their son James.It was placed there by their son John (b.1825),a baker living in Greenock with his family. All 4 children were born in Kilcalmonell.

Hi Mungo, I don't believe that Margaret Livingston remarried and that she lived with her married daughter Isabella Weir in Greenock, 5 Antigua Street in the census of 1881, relationship mother-in-law. Isabella married a Duncan Weir, ship's carpenter,(haven't researched their marriage yet) and lived in Greenock in 1851, 61, 71 and 81 and have 6 children. I have no trace of Mary Campbell.
Just found an 1841 Census entry for an Archibald Campbell aged 91 (born abt 1750 in Argyll) and Christian Campbell aged 71 (born abt 1770!) living in North Knapdale at a place called Barindive(?). Could they be THE Archibald and Christian? Interestingly, the other placenames (homesteads) just before that entry are Gartnagrenach and Drimsean(?) and Gortanachlain. Could there be more than one Gartnagrenach in that part of Argyllshire and does anyone recognise the other names and could help with locating them?

[mungo]

Archibald Campbell (abt. 1750-60 ) and Christian McColl's children were Samuel Campbell (1793 ),John Campbell (1791 )and Neil Campbell (abt.1795 ). Archibald and Christian were married on 16 Dec 1782. A daughter - Isbell Campbell was born on 1 Feb 1785 in Lismore Appin and Duror. (her father is noted as Alex.(a mistake ? ),mother -Christian McColl,on the birth register). Isabell lived with the family in Craignish in the early 1790's.Isabell married Archibald Smith and lived in Glassary.One of their sons - Archibald Smith (b. 1821 ) married Christian Campbell ( b.1825 )who was the daughter of Samuel Campbell (1793 ) ,a close relative. Christian McColl ,I now believe was born on 7 Feb 1760 in Lismore,Appin and Duror.

[Doreen]

Good stuff, Mungo. I have most of the information, but differ on Christian's birth. Yours might be more realistic though.