Public Meeting

[sooze]

Tell me have you any Poles in C'town yet? SNP being so big on Scotland in europe and all - where will the gaelic be when our second language is Polish? I hear they are even taking the high tech jobs in Inverness. No offense to the asylumgrants only..... cant we send some of our useless Gets to Poland in return - Im thinking a polish doctor gets swapped for a Govan junky?......watcha think?.......Hell Id let 10 thousand in if they took our MSPs - foolish idea I know who'd want such illiterates - maybe they'd take the junky tho.

country's goin to the dogs I tell you no wonder people are up and leaving.

The Scottish Parliament has no control over the decisions on immigration or for that matter on the benefit system so it is difficult to follow the argument of how useless this makes them.
Sooze

[dedalus]

sooze - you are saying they have no control I agree but then wonder why I think they are useless???? what is it about that that you dont understand?

John

All valid points you make Im sure - however they would be valid regardless of the colour of your particular "party necktie"

Why do we need independance to follow a more sensible enterprise culture?

Your point about blaming the system not the people is tue enough - but when the system has allowed this endemic malingering culture I'm afraid you will find it hard to get "turkys to vote for Xmas" with 54% of jobs in the public sector and god knows how many unemplyed, "sick" and retired- what percentage does that leave to vote for common sense?
I recently saw a panorama prg where an old boy had lost all his pension thru no fault of his own and was working in his retirement - he nearly fell over when it was pointed out to him that 28% of his council tax would go towards paying the pensions of all those "highly essential" local council people - you know the social workers that explain how to fiddle the benefits system to young mothers "if you pretend hes left you we will pay your rent and maybe get you a TV" (we all know daytime tv is a necessity along with food and fags) - you would think these people should have some kind of moral obligation? - No they think the world owes them something - cos we actually pay people to convince em - its insane. Then these same people clog up our NHS system either with bogus claims to get "the disability" or cos they sit on thier asses smoking fags all day.

Like I said before our system rewards those that sit on thier ass. Im sure Darwin would be turning in his grave cos our particular species is going backwards.

I never did get the snp in europe thing you dont want to be a smaller fish in a bigger pond - makes no sense to me. Anyway my real concern is that we have Zero , zilch, nadda political talent in scotland - I wouldnt trust any of em to make me a cup of tea - Jack Mcconnell cant even speak English.

Truth is I feel more "at home" in America these days - I love thier can do culture and the fact that if you dont get off your ass your gonna starve mentality. By and large people work hard there and we are now looked down on culturally as well as commercially.

Good Strumash enjoyed it even if I do rant a bit. Sorry

[Sweltered]

Truth is I feel more "at home" in America these days - I love thier can do culture and the fact that if you dont get off your ass your gonna starve mentality. By and large people work hard there and we are now looked down on culturally as well as commercially.

Good Strumash enjoyed it even if I do rant a bit. Sorry

Funny I feel more at home in America too, no, wait a minute, I am in my home in America !

People do work hard over here, some of them. A lot of them are the most workshy people I have ever met, and I was a civil servant! For the most part people over here work to have enough money to do what they like. And will get off their butt to get it. There are those who look for the welfare check every 2 weeks, but this is not as prevelant here. What a wonderful place Scotland is, when you can leave your job in the buroo, walk round the counter and go home with more money, for not working. Psuedo Socialist shangri-la. As for the SNP, they only had 2 good ones and they're no longer with us.

A desire to be a politician should forever bar you from holding office.

politics=poli -greek(?) for many. tics- blood sucking parasites.

[John S]

Hi Sweltered, all we need now is Mr Miyagi for a family reunion.

A desire to be a politician should forever bar you from holding office.

Man, sweltered your mastery of the cliché might qualify you for a job in Jack McConnel's campaign team. Sure who wants to be a politician, but who wants career politicians running their affairs. Most of the people I know involved in local politics across the political spectrum are there because they actually care about their community, Others because they want to see change and are prepared to stick their neck out to make it happen. Some are on the gravy train or blinded by power to the extend that nothing else matters but holding on. Not as simple as you make out.

Professor Dedalus to become more competitive we require economic policies which would not be considered within the UK because they would be unpopular with the majority of Southern voters who already enjoy growth twice that of Scotland’s.

Westminster will not consider regional fiscal control to devolved governments, as this would allow a Scottish government to compete for industry within the UK, which they would see as a step to independence. If we have fiscal control what else remains? Westminster would become superfluous. It would also draw into sharper focus the question of where the oil revenues belong. That’s why we are stuck with half a deck of cards, and to show they are “succeeding” Scottish Governments other than an SNP administration will continually have to focus on public sector growth and social legislation.

With regard to talent in the Parliament - what talented people want a job babysitting for Westminster, the challenge for the talented is independence - putting it right.

[dedalus]

Watched your Holyrood TV thing John - Ill give your guy 2nd place behind the tories - he lost it when he suggested that his daughter was gonna innovate ahead of a million other overseas engineers. I am trying to do a bit of business in china - and when my cusomer came over I was bowled over by thier level of education and ability - each one in the delegation was educated to masters degree level in electronics or semicon. If you think we are smarter think again. Anyway my first thought when I see anything business oriented these days is allways

How much is this costing.
How much is it making.

So who paid for this tv prog/business meeting? These "gurus" aint cheap
What possible good did it do ( assuming it is to help the economy in some way).... all it was, was a platform for those guys to spout - I thought I already paid these guys (mps) not to mention thier wives (sorry secretarys) and thier Edinburgh property investment ( sorry essential away from home accomodation).

Ive been to a number of these things where some guy got lucky with an idea and rode his luck well and then sold up for a mint - now thinks he can make a living telling us how to do it. Truth is it not one of those people made any more difference to our economy than a bunch of wifeys taking in each others washing- and thats a fact. Trouble is Holyrood doesnt now the meaning of "wealth generation" if you buy your coffee in one coffee shop rather than another - the economy didnt change - it just moved around. Where were the innovators - the exporters? - do we have any left?

Thanks for bringing it (the prog) to my attemtion tho - but I think Ill be voting for the blue tie guy.

[John S]

Thanks for bringing it (the prog) to my attemtion tho - but I think Ill be voting for the blue tie guy

Apparent from the rant at the outset professor, but I'm glad of the opportunity to air the argument.

Have you read "the collapse of globalism and reinvention of the world" by John Ralston Saul, a bit one sided but a perspective I think you might like.

J

[Sweltered]

Thanks for bringing it (the prog) to my attemtion tho - but I think Ill be voting for the blue tie guy.

HELL! Whit'll Dan say! Anyway, as I recall, he always referred to the SNP as the tartan Tories!

Himself is right about the Chinese, How they laughed at cheap Chinese ripoffs. Well, the Chinese are taking over, and they'll take all your manufacturing jobs. Over here, American companies are building factories in Mexico as fast as they can. I read some baloney that the money companies are saving by outsourcing is allowing them to create higher paid jobs in this country. Unlikely, but tell that to the programmer selling magazines over the phone coz his job went to India. The Ford Mustang, the all American Muscle Car. Wrong. the Toyota Corolla has more American manufactured parts than the Mustang. From what I have read, outsourcing of call centers is still in the rise. There's lots of call centers in Scotland.....

All these wonderful people in Holyrood, who care so much for their communities, who have genuine will to help their communities, would more helpful if they picked up the dogsh!t off the streets instead. The wonderful commitee system, which always enjoys a good lunch, the "fact finding tours" of sunnier climes, are always a big help to the communities.

Politician and scout leaders, there's always a feeling that there's an ulterior motive.

[John S]

Politician and scout leaders, there's always a feeling that there's an ulterior motive.

Think that says more about you than politicians or scouts

All these wonderful people in Holyrood, who care so much for their communities, who have genuine will to help their communities, would more helpful if they picked up the dogsh!t off the streets instead.

My god the Simpson gene runs in the family not going to waste my breath any further, anyway work to do.

[Bruce]

There's lots of call centers in Scotland...

... and some of these are closing down and being replaced by those in India!

[Sweltered]

Politician and scout leaders, there's always a feeling that there's an ulterior motive.

Think that says more about you than politicians or scouts

All these wonderful people in Holyrood, who care so much for their communities, who have genuine will to help their communities, would more helpful if they picked up the dogsh!t off the streets instead.

My god the Simpson gene runs in the family not going to waste my breath any further, anyway work to do.

You think I've just got a bad mind. Would you like me to send you a list? The numbers are scary.

Doh! genes that run in the family, well there's a novelty. This is the kind of thinking that will REALLY put Scotland on the map. JOHN S for First Minister!

[Sweltered]

There's lots of call centers in Scotland...

... and some of these are closing down and being replaced by those in India!

That was my point!

[general jack o'niell]

[Sweltered]

whoa!!! sorry john, if i hadn't posted the first reply this might have not started, don't get caught up in an arguement with that pair, here's a tried and trusted method to diffuse the situation

"aye, you'll be right!!!!"

"now shut it and get up, sometimes you canna get a seat in yer ain hoose"

Don't flatter yourself.

And if the chest pains have died down, I'll be thinking of you from the deck of the "Inspiration" as we depart from Tampa tomorrow, for points Caribbean.

[general jack o'niell]

[John S]

This is the kind of thinking that will REALLY put Scotland on the map. JOHN S for First Minister!

What I mean Sweltered is that your comments, like Homers, are Puerile. They do your real persona no justice.