Public Meeting

[general jack o'niell]

[ionnsaigh]

The SNP offer no real alternative to the current economic system- other than , what appears to be a type of Nationalistic Capitalism- where lies the difference between a English Capitalist and a Scottish Capitalist. It fails to address an economic system that creates great wealth and great poverty. It may be of interest to the potential Scottish exploiters- however for the poor and the Working Class, it has little to offer.

Public meeting at the White Hart
Seems an interesting venue for a meeting- however exclusive to a number of the toons inhabitants, so as far as public goes think again-If you (SNP) where in any way serious about our right to self determination, you would be required to encourage conditions that enable open Democratic discussion with the people of this country.

Have a public meeting in public- say the square- every Saturday afternoon.
Do this for one year - listen then act on behalf of the people- asking the people to act on behalf of you isn't in essence Democratic, rather its opposite Aristocratic.
Our time will come.

[general jack o'niell]

[ionnsaigh]

Tommy- no not Tommy. I'm an honest man.
The Militant Tendency used Sheridan to divide the Anti Poll Tax movement in Scotland, this was in order to serve their own power hungry agenda.

Go on Tommy, attempt to sue me.
Mick Donoghue

[John S]

The SNP offer no real alternative to the current economic system- other than , what appears to be a type of Nationalistic Capitalism- where lies the difference between a English Capitalist and a Scottish Capitalist. It fails to address an economic system that creates great wealth and great poverty. It may be of interest to the potential Scottish exploiters- however for the poor and the Working Class, it has little to offer.

Public meeting at the White Hart
Seems an interesting venue for a meeting- however exclusive to a number of the toons inhabitants, so as far as public goes think again-If you (SNP) where in any way serious about our right to self determination, you would be required to encourage conditions that enable open Democratic discussion with the people of this country.

Have a public meeting in public- say the square- every Saturday afternoon.
Do this for one year - listen then act on behalf of the people- asking the people to act on behalf of you isn't in essence Democratic, rather its opposite Aristocratic.
Our time will come.

Aye, the world needs its dreamers - how well do you know this community? Sure listen we will, and act too, but if you think that a weekly meeting in the square would give everyone the opportunity to contribute you don't have a clue about the culture, geography or environment of the place. - You don't like the SNP - that’s fine, but don't pretend to be concerned about this community in order to air your view.

[ionnsaigh]

My Community is Scotland

[John S]

My Community is Scotland

So what's your meaning of community? if it is as general as Scotland, why stop at Scotland? Celtic, British, European what so different? What defines me as part of your community by virtue of living in Scotland and not readers from the rest of the world?

Why can't you identify with a community of family, neighbours and acquaintances? or did Govan not suit you at the moment of your last post? Get real!!

[Bruce]

Perhaps ionnsaigh is one of the many Scots (assuming he is!) that can speak for ALL Scots and feels they should believe in the same things he does and act in the same way as well! Scotland as a community is a bit too diverse for that - you can't even speak of a council area as a community, let alone the whole country... and I'm not even sure you can look at a village, town or city in those terms - what I believe in or the way I act differs from my neighbours (even my own brothers for that matter)! So, it would seem rather than community, politics is an individual thing... otherwise why would there be different political parties each getting their own share of the votes! Or does ionnsaigh believe there should be one vote for the country and it should be his?

[general jack o'niell]

[ionnsaigh]

My Community is Scotland

So what's your meaning of community? if it is as general as Scotland, why stop at Scotland? Celtic, British, European what so different? What defines me as part of your community by virtue of living in Scotland and not readers from the rest of the world?

Why can't you identify with a community of family, neighbours and acquaintances? or did Govan not suit you at the moment of your last post? Get real!!

As a Scot, I have the right to comment on any part of this country (Scotland)

You have yet to answer my question.
1. What is the difference between Scottish and English Capitalism.

[ionnsaigh]

Perhaps ionnsaigh is one of the many Scots (assuming he is!) that can speak for ALL Scots and feels they should believe in the same things he does and act in the same way as well! Scotland as a community is a bit too diverse for that - you can't even speak of a council area as a community, let alone the whole country... and I'm not even sure you can look at a village, town or city in those terms - what I believe in or the way I act differs from my neighbours (even my own brothers for that matter)! So, it would seem rather than community, politics is an individual thing... otherwise why would there be different political parties each getting their own share of the votes! Or does ionnsaigh believe there should be one vote for the country and it should be his?

All Communities regardless of what or who they are, are in essence diverse groups within any given Community- that being the true nature and meaning of the term Community.
I can only speak for myself, within that Community.
I for a number of reasons don't have a Democratic vote, if I had -I wouldn't waste my time on the Democratic illusions force fed by the State and Media. Politics concerns everybody, so it should, in some circumstances be seen as a Community Collective as opposed to- selfish individual appeal. Under the current system I cant vote for anybody even if I wanted to - I don't exist- Is this the type of Country you enjoy living in, I wonder, and suspect not. I wonder how many others out there, who have no say through the ballot box exist. If we are to be denied the Democratic right to vote -wither we use that vote or not- isn't really the point is it. Perhaps the SNP-Labour-Tory -Liberal- SSP-Solidarity- Greens-Fascists could give an answer- or do I lift the gun.

[John S]

As a Scot, I have the right to comment on any part of this country (Scotland)

As a Scot you have a right to comment on anything you want. Does your right to comment make it your community? Your ignorance says otherwise.

I never mentioned English / Scottish Capitalism - you did and you never asked a question. Get a grip!

You can put things in boxes if you like - left and right, socialist, capitalist whether it’s origin is Scottish or English makes no difference.
What makes the difference is the balance between need and greed, growth and decline, environment and industry, wealth and poverty.
The balance has to be right for the communities concerned whether they are Govan or Campbeltown.
The Scottish Executive will never be in a position to get the balance right until we have the full range of fiscal powers, which come with independence.

[John S]

or do I lift the gun.

don't do that, we'd miss you.

[Bruce]

Maybe the gun wouldn't be for use on himself as apparently ionnsaigh is irish gaelic for "attack"...

... anyway, isn't it a bit strange that someone that for a number of reasons don't have a Democratic vote has a lot to say on the political situation of a constituency he wouldn't have the right to vote in even if he did have the right to actually vote so even if the Campbeltown/Kintyre area returned a political candidate from a party he wouldn't support anyway, what business is it of his? Its a democratic process and majority rules... as it does in the constituency where I live - I accept the person that is voted in irrespective of whether I voted for him or not and would be p'd off if an outsider commented on it!

[Bobbie En Tejas]

...and would be p'd off if an outsider commented on it!

Gulp..

Ever wonder about "majority rules"? I mean, you could get a majority with mob mentality and some poor schmuck with common sense in the middle of them.