New Tesco

[WTC]

First Milk’s website is still promoting Rothesay Creamery yet they are about to cease production with a loss of 19 jobs.

Looks like it’s all being set up for Campbeltown/Tesco!

I’ve heard that the farmers in Ayrshire are questioning the amount of large investment being made in such a remote area.

Hopefully someone can tell us the farming stats for the local area. It would appear that in Rothesay dairy farming is on the decrease.

http://www.buteman.co.uk/news/BREAKING- ... 6164319.jp

Interesting quote from Kate Allum, First Milk:

"The cost of making cheese on Bute is much more expensive in comparison with many other creameries in the UK"

Have the grants run out?

Would the new town creamery be a short term fix reminiscent of the last Jaeger ‘investment’?

PS
Maybe it is all due to the fact that the big supermarkets are squeezing the small producers out of business, looking to the future, and in the long term own brands would dominate. More money for them.

[WTC]

£650,000 was invested in Rothesay creamery just over two years ago. Now it's closing.

[D10jimmy]

http://www.thescottishfarmer.co.uk/news ... -1.1014679

above is some more about rothesay creamery, its first milks duty according to their contract to take the milk from their contracted farmers on the island.
as far as we were told on monday night, no decision has been made about where the milk will go for now, just where it is needed i think, and the future of the "isle of bute" cheese brand is undecided at the moment.

if anyone want more info, i am sure the 2 johns will have info on argyll fm tomorrow night at 7.

[maxmix]

What about the new creamery? It is important to local farmers and is part of the deal.

Have not seen any farmers on the forum posting about the new proposed Tesco....

Maybe they all shop online

maxmix

[D10jimmy]

What about the new creamery? It is important to local farmers and is part of the deal.

Have not seen any farmers on the forum posting about the new proposed Tesco....

Maybe they all shop online

maxmix

just not so many are on the net. lol.
in my opinion, it will be a good thing and will hopefuly make the cheese makeing process a heck of a lot more efficient, ie less volume of milk needed to make a ton of cheese.
First milk seem determined to go ahead with creamery even if tesco doesnt, funding would be the issue, there is a lot going on behind the scenes to ensure that when tesco gets the go, they are ready to start building, tesco aint in such a hurry, thats the problem at the moment.

[kintyre56]

I see that the planning application is not on this weeks list - maybe next week. I don't think that as far as public consultation is concerned, Tesco's should be linked to the Creamery. As I and others to whom I have spoken see it, the link has been used as a stick with which to beat the community and has risked divided the farming community. However fortunately most farmers are savvy enough to see through these bullying tactics.

[Swanseajock]

Why does everyone blame Tesco for the closing of shops when a supermarket opens up? If you are so worried about the smaller shops use them and don't use the superstore. Yes they are an all consuming monster, but they provide what we simple folk want.
on a slightly linked way its the same as blaming incomers for the price of houses, while ignoring the seller holding out for as much as they can get.

[maxmix]

Why does everyone blame Tesco for the closing of shops when a supermarket opens up? If you are so worried about the smaller shops use them and don't use the superstore. Yes they are an all consuming monster, but they provide what we simple folk want.
on a slightly linked way its the same as blaming incomers for the price of houses, while ignoring the seller holding out for as much as they can get.

Very good and valid points.... But for most folk.... The temptation is too great and thats why the smaller shops get neglected.... Also the price of goods is a big factor nowadays....

maxmix

[EMDEE]

Why does everyone blame Tesco for the closing of shops when a supermarket opens up? If you are so worried about the smaller shops use them and don't use the superstore. Yes they are an all consuming monster, but they provide what we simple folk want.
on a slightly linked way its the same as blaming incomers for the price of houses, while ignoring the seller holding out for as much as they can get.

Good points. Simple economic forces dictate that a superstore will attract the majority of us to do our weekly and everyday shopping because the service they provide offers generally lower prices and the ability to do the shopping without having to lug heavy bags around the street from one shop to the next . Why then do some of us have a love/hate relationship with supermarkets? It is not because they are inconvenient for the shopper or offer bad value for money. It is because the whole ethos of supermarkets is not good for a local economy.They make us "an offer we can't refuse", and eventually create a virtual monopoly in the locality they move into, leaving us with little or no consumer choice. It is because of us, the consumers, that Tesco are so succesful, and they are now in a position where money is almost no object to them, and they can throw as much of the stuff at a project as is necessary to monopolise a town or locality, and they are guaranteed that the local populace will patronise them. These companies are now so big that they can manipulate the supply side as well as the demand side.

I have often thought the same about house prices, but in reality, if someone is selling a property, they don't give a monkey's who is buying it so long as they are offering them over the odds. The wider long term effect on the local property market is not a consideration, and you can't blame them for that.

Maybe some of us supermarket cynics simply need to accept that this is the future of the retail sector, and that the days are numbered for the corner shop, and that the days of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker are the subject of rose-tinted nostalgia. It does leave us with the problem of a country full of streets which are full of redundant shop units that have no obvious potential purpose so long as supermarkets prevail. Now there is another problem.

[kmc]

See the Planning application is now in but can't see the store plan yet.

http://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/PublicAcc ... 1IVCH0CM00

[Ship called Dignity]

Swanseajock, I'm sitting on the fence on this one as there are so many positives and negatives on both sides and I'm enjoying the debate.

Yes they are an all consuming monster, but they provide what we simple folk want.

Yes, they do, so why do we need a bigger one? I can't help but think the current one provides for the town as it is. Honestly, just a question.

[History]

I can't help but think the current one provides for the town as it is. Honestly, just a question.

No SCD it doesn't. It's only a metro and IMHO it certainly does not provide what the town needs.

Not sure when you shop but it is a very busy place at times. I think if those against it were to shop every day and combine work would realise it is not ideal. It really is too small for the community. The aisles are too narrow and the stock they are allowed to take in is limited. Ask any staff member and they will tell you they cannot control what is sent to them. I don't think that is ideal for any community.

An occasional visitor would find it okay but not the many who shop most days either for themselves, family or in the case of Home Helps they have also to fit in their client shopping line.

A good example of the shopkeepers scaremongering is when they objected to traders coming to the Tmplars Hall. That has all gone but a lot of the stock these traders sold is still unavailable in the town.

Not sure if the above is a reason for an all singing dancing supermarket but if I am honest I would have to say I would welcome it.

[sooze]

The present Tesco has very poor choice of stock as well as being small in space. If you shop in any of the bigger supermarkets (not just Tesco) you will notice the choice of goods - not just the range but within a range the different kinds in types of goods.

We are at times lucky to have a choice of two e.g. kinds of pizza and when you go to Oban (as many people do from this area and while they do they have a look round other shops in the town) you find you can get lots more choice.

Sooze

[EileenH]

The Oban Tesco is great. They have a great choice and also for clothes, housewaresand stuff, even tv's. Maybe everyone who goes to Oban Tesco will spend thei rmoney in the town once we get a new Tesco?

[Ship called Dignity]

As I said just a question. Was just trying to add a question to the debate so it broadens the view. As I said, I sit on the fence on this one.

With regards needs it provides, I am a man afterall. So I could do with the pie and pizza aisle and of course the lager bit.

Another point I heard, and again just to open the debate up, is the current Tescos takes in around £12.5 million and they are looking to double this to £25 million. The question then was where is that £12.5 million coming from?

Again, just a question.