Drumchapel

[ionnsaigh]

Capitalism is alive and well, I work for one of the largest defence contractors in the world..doing very nicely. Guess how I sleep Soundly How did I achieve this, I got off my ar$e and didn't wait for the handouts to come along. I'm sick of people not taking responsibilty for their lives and blaming the government for everything. Theres no jobs because theres no heavy industry in Scotland, theres no industry in Scotland, because of the unions. If people want to live off handouts let them , but don't moan about it, do something about it. Don't smoke and drink and eat pies and then complain about your health. Take responsibilty for once, and stop blaming the government for everything. Did the government bring your kids up in Drumchapel?

Aye defence now there's a thing- do you really mean weapons of mass destruction.? Why not call it one of the largest attack contractors in the world, if the hat fits wear it. So you got off your backside, not waiting for handouts to come along- can I ask what is wrong with handouts? Any responsible government would take responsibility for the lives of its Citizens, isn't that the way it is supposed to be. Has some teacher in the toon construed meaning. You clearly associate laziness with Poverty, Can I ask what about the lazy rich as you say little of those you inherit great wealth and never do a days work in there lives. The Queen and members of the royal family aren't snobs or shy when it comes to state handouts are they. So there is no heavy industry in Scotland and the Unions are at fault, your not a fan then. Do you have a problem with the workings of Democracy.
I don't live off handouts I worked for years in the largest Moral responsible task on Earth, that being the care of one and other. So I will moan shout and rage at the neglected treatment of our poor people. Good Heath should be enjoyed by all- lets take away your highly provocative remarks regarding smoke drink and eating pies. It would be erroneous to completely ignore these however if you where in some low paid employment perhaps you would be searching for the fags due to the stress or taking a drink to relief that stress or even comfort eating a pie who knows it isn't really the issue. I mean don't just take my word for it - ask the Medical Staff in Glasgow to list the medical conditions associated with poverty.
It really cots a fortune and drains the resources and funds to their absolute limit. No the government offered them a house their as that is where his partner was born and bred A Drumchapel lassie. There is nothing wrong with Drumchapel that cant be fixed right. Your arguments are not in any way new - as neither is my reply- yours lie firmly embedded in a type of disgust, at what you see as- the failings of Human Beings. You are looking at the size of the spoon and ignoring the pot.
As far as work ethic goes - nobody is suggesting that those who don't work get an equal share, far from it- however those who cant work, you know what I mean say babies- the old- the infirm- the sick and the homeless. I'm for looking after them are you?.

[dedalus]

He's a social worker - mightav guessed.

How about this fella - maybe if we didnt feed all the druggies and the thiefs and make thier life so generally comfortable. They would be too busy searching for thier next meal to commit as many crimes. Ive had it with the welfare state - its way too easy, and as for defending the sick man of europe - boo hoo, poor me.

The trouble with your doctrine is that The fat and feckless unemployed far out weigh the fat and feckless rich. The only examples you can give are the royal family - what are they 20- 30 of them? as against the millions of heart lazy " work the system, let the Poles do it " drains on the rest of us. And the last time I looked Charlie made a profit, and they all pay tax. If you gave all the waelth of the royals to the great unwashed of Glasgow, they would shoot it up or flush it away in a year- come to think of it if we add up the budget of the GDA and the social services and NHS and unemployment benefit, they already do.

Time for revolution I tell ya.

[Sweltered]

He's a social worker - mightav guessed.

How about this fella - maybe if we didnt feed all the druggies and the thiefs and make thier life so generally comfortable. They would be too busy searching for thier next meal to commit as many crimes. Ive had it with the welfare state - its way too easy, and as for defending the sick man of europe - boo hoo, poor me.

The trouble with your doctrine is that The fat and feckless unemployed far out weigh the fat and feckless rich. The only examples you can give are the royal family - what are they 20- 30 of them? as against the millions of heart lazy " work the system, let the Poles do it " drains on the rest of us. And the last time I looked Charlie made a profit, and they all pay tax. If you gave all the waelth of the royals to the great unwashed of Glasgow, they would shoot it up or flush it away in a year- come to think of it if we add up the budget of the GDA and the social services and NHS and unemployment benefit, they already do.

Time for revolution I tell ya.

Thank you, saved me the bother.

And just couple of little points. Shortly after stopping smoking, I went through 3 of the most stressful things anyone can go through. I didn't search for a fag or a drink or a hit, I didn't even search for a pie. Guess why? Because I wasn't brought up like that.
Poverty isn't just linked to lazyness, but lazyness plays huge part.
My uncle was Policeman in Drumchapel for 30 years, don't tell me there's nothing wrong with Drumchapel

[ionnsaigh]

He's a social worker - mightav guessed.

How about this fella - maybe if we didnt feed all the druggies and the thiefs and make thier life so generally comfortable. They would be too busy searching for thier next meal to commit as many crimes. Ive had it with the welfare state - its way too easy, and as for defending the sick man of europe - boo hoo, poor me.

The trouble with your doctrine is that The fat and feckless unemployed far out weigh the fat and feckless rich. The only examples you can give are the royal family - what are they 20- 30 of them? as against the millions of heart lazy " work the system, let the Poles do it " drains on the rest of us. And the last time I looked Charlie made a profit, and they all pay tax. If you gave all the waelth of the royals to the great unwashed of Glasgow, they would shoot it up or flush it away in a year- come to think of it if we add up the budget of the GDA and the social services and NHS and unemployment benefit, they already do.

Time for revolution I tell ya.

Thank you, saved me the bother.

And just couple of little points. Shortly after stopping smoking, I went through 3 of the most stressful things anyone can go through. I didn't search for a fag or a drink or a hit, I didn't even search for a pie. Guess why? Because I wasn't brought up like that.
Poverty isn't just linked to lazyness, but lazyness plays huge part.
My uncle was Policeman in Drumchapel for 30 years, don't tell me there's nothing wrong with Drumchapel

AYE THE POLIS ARE SHITE

[big tony]

i once got on the wrong train and ended up having to walk thru the drum at night, i can honestly say it was the only time i've ever been concerned for my safety, luckily i had plenty of cigs with me, oh and a pie, which i washed down with some irn bru, mmmmmmmm

i heard a story about drumchapel from a policeman who served there, he said that when they went to arrest someone, they needed a minimum of three officers, two for the arrest and one to wait in the car in case they got the wheels nicked, plus the blocks of flats all had holes cut in adjoining walls that were covered by wardrobes, this enabled crims to escape from one end of the row to the other when there was a knock on the door, thats not counting the time my cuzz had his new motorbike nicked, it was only a 125 so that doesn't really count as a bike!!!

[Sweltered]

He's a social worker - mightav guessed.

How about this fella - maybe if we didnt feed all the druggies and the thiefs and make thier life so generally comfortable. They would be too busy searching for thier next meal to commit as many crimes. Ive had it with the welfare state - its way too easy, and as for defending the sick man of europe - boo hoo, poor me.

The trouble with your doctrine is that The fat and feckless unemployed far out weigh the fat and feckless rich. The only examples you can give are the royal family - what are they 20- 30 of them? as against the millions of heart lazy " work the system, let the Poles do it " drains on the rest of us. And the last time I looked Charlie made a profit, and they all pay tax. If you gave all the waelth of the royals to the great unwashed of Glasgow, they would shoot it up or flush it away in a year- come to think of it if we add up the budget of the GDA and the social services and NHS and unemployment benefit, they already do.

Time for revolution I tell ya.

Thank you, saved me the bother.

And just couple of little points. Shortly after stopping smoking, I went through 3 of the most stressful things anyone can go through. I didn't search for a fag or a drink or a hit, I didn't even search for a pie. Guess why? Because I wasn't brought up like that.
Poverty isn't just linked to lazyness, but lazyness plays huge part.
My uncle was Policeman in Drumchapel for 30 years, don't tell me there's nothing wrong with Drumchapel

AYE THE POLIS ARE mince

So you'll not be calling them when one of the little darlings chibs you then.

[big tony]

chib, theres a good old name, i remember the drum swimming pool, only 5p to get in and not a bad pool, hot chocolate in the cafe' and a walk back into clydebank and the safety of mossgiel drive

[EMDEE]

Drumchapel is not unique; it is only the Glasgow version of ghettos that exist in every major city.

The sad fact is that everyone is not able to get off their arse. The poverty, deprivation and social exclusion in places like this can be self perpetuating, completely demoralising, and a barrier to social mobility.

Over a period of decades, Glasgow has lost a huge amount of industry and thereby employment for many of its residents, and to brand an entire housing scheme as “lazy” is without justification. There are lazy individuals everywhere, even among the professional classes.

There is what some may call dysfunctional families in places like Drumchapel, as in many other places, but sometimes we can’t see the wood for the trees.

Lack of opportunity is a major factor, and places like Drumchapel are partially a result of an economy that is not operating at capacity. Handouts however are not the solution, what is needed is sustainable employment opportunities. If opportunity is there, it is those who chose not to take it who are the lazy ones.

It is not the symptoms that need treated, but the cause.

[ionnsaigh]

He's a social worker - mightav guessed.

How about this fella - maybe if we didnt feed all the druggies and the thiefs and make thier life so generally comfortable. They would be too busy searching for thier next meal to commit as many crimes. Ive had it with the welfare state - its way too easy, and as for defending the sick man of europe - boo hoo, poor me.

The trouble with your doctrine is that The fat and feckless unemployed far out weigh the fat and feckless rich. The only examples you can give are the royal family - what are they 20- 30 of them? as against the millions of heart lazy " work the system, let the Poles do it " drains on the rest of us. And the last time I looked Charlie made a profit, and they all pay tax. If you gave all the waelth of the royals to the great unwashed of Glasgow, they would shoot it up or flush it away in a year- come to think of it if we add up the budget of the GDA and the social services and NHS and unemployment benefit, they already do.

Time for revolution I tell ya.

You have omitted the rich druggies and thieves, as they don't have to steal to feed their addiction now do they? What type of horrific world are you proposing. You say you've had it with the Welfare state- just as well they haven't had it with the likes of you. Chances are high that the same said Welfare State looked after you and your Mother, and will continue to do so regardless of your chronic attitude to an important function of any civilised society- chiefly a Welfare State. Nobody in their right frame of mind could display such an appalling attitude to a system that is there for all- what happened, where you not loved as a baby. The problems are not related to the Welfare State far from it. They stem from an Economic system that simply speaking divides- creates antagonistic contradictions in the distribution of wealth and subsequent needs. The Capitalist means of production has robbed the Worker from ownership of the same said means. This society can generally be split in three roughly crude ways or Social Classes, where one Class has too much, another enough and last although not least a class that doesn't have enough to enjoy what is theirs by Moral right to a decent life and existence. How dare you describe my people in those terms ( the great unwashed of Glasgow) You have a narrow contorted view of People in general and the poor in particular. You also suffer from poverty at least in terms of understanding and love for your fellow man poor poor you. Oh and by the way I'm not a Social Worker.

[ionnsaigh]

He's a social worker - mightav guessed.

How about this fella - maybe if we didnt feed all the druggies and the thiefs and make thier life so generally comfortable. They would be too busy searching for thier next meal to commit as many crimes. Ive had it with the welfare state - its way too easy, and as for defending the sick man of europe - boo hoo, poor me.

The trouble with your doctrine is that The fat and feckless unemployed far out weigh the fat and feckless rich. The only examples you can give are the royal family - what are they 20- 30 of them? as against the millions of heart lazy " work the system, let the Poles do it " drains on the rest of us. And the last time I looked Charlie made a profit, and they all pay tax. If you gave all the waelth of the royals to the great unwashed of Glasgow, they would shoot it up or flush it away in a year- come to think of it if we add up the budget of the GDA and the social services and NHS and unemployment benefit, they already do.

Time for revolution I tell ya.

Thank you, saved me the bother.

And just couple of little points. Shortly after stopping smoking, I went through 3 of the most stressful things anyone can go through. I didn't search for a fag or a drink or a hit, I didn't even search for a pie. Guess why? Because I wasn't brought up like that.
Poverty isn't just linked to lazyness, but lazyness plays huge part.
My uncle was Policeman in Drumchapel for 30 years, don't tell me there's nothing wrong with Drumchapel

Oh you were brought up like that- well lucky you- as I'm sure you will have to concede we have absolutely no say or choice in who our parents are- and what type of people they might happen to be, this is a random lottery type of selection in other words a fact of life that you have so far failed to grasp. Otherwise how can you blame people for behaviour emulated from their parents- because after all that is what we precisely all do. You go on to say that you went through Three of the most stressful things anyone can go through- can I remind you that one mans meat is another's poison. Stress is a relative concept- let me make a stab at what it wasn't. The Sheriff Officers battering down your door. A threatening letter from the rent office, Gas Electric private companies demanding payment otherwise these life saving necessities would be cut off. Watching your weans die slowly through lack of decent nutrition- dampness in your hoose- unemployment-- poor schools- preventable ill health-A section of the Middle Class who don't care and blame you for your predicament. How am I doing... You say that laziness plays a huge part in poverty- what utter tripe it goes to show your lack of any true understanding of people. An artist can paint an apple- yet if the artist has never tasted or touched or smelled the apple in essence they really don't understand the true nature of the apple- this I suspect is where you come from- a shallow dying pond filled with effluent. Oh and by the way what was the name of your Uncle that was the Policeman in Drumchapel, I could ask about, see what type of reputation he had- if he in any way shared some of your ghastly opinions of Drumchapel I'm sure the people will remember who treated them properly or otherwise.

[dedalus]

The last chap I knew from the Drum - I shared an office with - got a great rise out of him on the first day by saying "bet there arent many like you in Drumchapel" - "what do you mean?" - "with an engineering degree"- "oh that" .
Stuart is black. Much guffawing later he realised he'd been had. Point is a black kid from Drumchapel couldnt have had a much worse start - but the first thing he did was got educated, then got out. So whats the excuse of all the others that are too comfy to get off thier asses?

I accept that there are some heriditary wealthy - maybe 0.0001% of the population
then there are the great unwashed - in scotland what is it 15%
then there are the pensioners you know those that fought in the war and worked all thier lives so that the unwashed could watch daytime telly in comfort, -and whom we tax to within an inch of thier lives to pay for the cooncil works and teachers guaranteed pensions.
Then there are the rest of us who pay for everything now and probably in the future too. Does you good to know that your taxes are being well spent on fags and buckie.

Deprived? explain that one, deprived of what exactly? Deprived is some kid in Malawi whos mother died and doesnt know where thier next meal is comming from - Id much rather feed him/her than the heart lazy sick man of Europe.

[EMDEE]

Deprived? explain that one, deprived of what exactly? Deprived is some kid in Malawi whos mother died and doesnt know where thier next meal is comming from - Id much rather feed him/her than the heart lazy sick man of Europe.

deprive
verb [T]
to take something, especially something necessary or pleasant, away from someone


deprivation
noun [C or U]
when you do not have things or conditions that are usually considered necessary for a pleasant life

(Cambridge Dictionaries online)

[Sweltered]

He's a social worker - mightav guessed.

How about this fella - maybe if we didnt feed all the druggies and the thiefs and make thier life so generally comfortable. They would be too busy searching for thier next meal to commit as many crimes. Ive had it with the welfare state - its way too easy, and as for defending the sick man of europe - boo hoo, poor me.

The trouble with your doctrine is that The fat and feckless unemployed far out weigh the fat and feckless rich. The only examples you can give are the royal family - what are they 20- 30 of them? as against the millions of heart lazy " work the system, let the Poles do it " drains on the rest of us. And the last time I looked Charlie made a profit, and they all pay tax. If you gave all the waelth of the royals to the great unwashed of Glasgow, they would shoot it up or flush it away in a year- come to think of it if we add up the budget of the GDA and the social services and NHS and unemployment benefit, they already do.

Time for revolution I tell ya.

Actually one of them was sitting beside 2 incubators wonder if one of prematurely born children was going to die

Thank you, saved me the bother.

And just couple of little points. Shortly after stopping smoking, I went through 3 of the most stressful things anyone can go through. I didn't search for a fag or a drink or a hit, I didn't even search for a pie. Guess why? Because I wasn't brought up like that.
Poverty isn't just linked to lazyness, but lazyness plays huge part.
My uncle was Policeman in Drumchapel for 30 years, don't tell me there's nothing wrong with Drumchapel

Oh you were brought up like that- well lucky you- as I'm sure you will have to concede we have absolutely no say or choice in who our parents are- and what type of people they might happen to be, this is a random lottery type of selection in other words a fact of life that you have so far failed to grasp. Otherwise how can you blame people for behaviour emulated from their parents- because after all that is what we precisely all do. You go on to say that you went through Three of the most stressful things anyone can go through- can I remind you that one mans meat is another's poison. Stress is a relative concept- let me make a stab at what it wasn't. The Sheriff Officers battering down your door. A threatening letter from the rent office, Gas Electric private companies demanding payment otherwise these life saving necessities would be cut off. Watching your weans die slowly through lack of decent nutrition- dampness in your hoose- unemployment-- poor schools- preventable ill health-A section of the Middle Class who don't care and blame you for your predicament. How am I doing... You say that laziness plays a huge part in poverty- what utter tripe it goes to show your lack of any true understanding of people. An artist can paint an apple- yet if the artist has never tasted or touched or smelled the apple in essence they really don't understand the true nature of the apple- this I suspect is where you come from- a shallow dying pond filled with effluent. Oh and by the way what was the name of your Uncle that was the Policeman in Drumchapel, I could ask about, see what type of reputation he had- if he in any way shared some of your ghastly opinions of Drumchapel I'm sure the people will remember who treated them properly or otherwise.

Actually one of them was sitting beside 2 incubators in the paediatric ICU wondering if one or both of our prematurely born children was going to die. Is THAT bad enough for you?

Why are children being undernourished, isn't the walefare state providing the parents with all these handouts to feed and clothe them? But that's not the parents fault, that's societies fault, don't blame the parents for heavens sake. Just because someone is poor, doesn't disqualify them from bringing their kids up right, teaching them right from wrong. I know plenty of people who had sh!tty parents and managed to make something of themselves, once again you seem to think no-one has to take responsibility for their own lives, THAT is utter tripe.

I see you have been following the thread about scottish water, since you describe Campbeltown as a "Shallow pond filled with effluent". I'll make a stab at the apple ramble...I'm guessing that you are suggesting that since I have not lived in poverty, I can't speak about it, but you seem to be able to comment on my life, hmm double standard there, but anyway, I've been through several of the examples you mentioned, I was on first name terms with the operator at the Sheriff Officers in Inverness, ok they didn't break doen my door, but then again I took responsibility and acted appropriately, maybe they have a different class of Sheriff officers in Inverness.

I'm not going to feel guilty that I never lived in poverty, and that I wok hard to get the things I want and don't stand in line waiting for my giro.

[EMDEE]

Although the title of this thread is "Drumchapel", is this actually a discussion of general social issues, as the kind of society that we are talking about is not confined to Drumchapel?

It is unethical to imply that it is.

[big tony]

in my time i have come across many who come from the blameless generations, those that take no responsibility for their actions and as such set the same example to their children, drumchapel i suppose is the same as many other places when it comes to this. in campbeltown there are families like this that span three or four generations. their kids are no good, uneducated oafs( no fault of the education system as i think we have had for many many years the very best in teaching at primary and secondary level) their problems lie with their parents, who learned it from their parents. we all know families like this.

funny how kids that didn't attend school and were continually given countless chances to mend their ways, are now turning up in the court reports on a weekly basis. i witnessed firsthand the attitude of them and their parents(in some cases grandparents) it was never their fault that little brad and britney (names changed to protect the guilty) couldn't be arsed to go to school, the parents couldn't be arsed to make sure they went to school(for the most part they couldn't be arsed to wash their faces)

as for poverty the same kids were always decked out in the best of namebrand gear, clothes that the average parent in the town would have to save up to buy. i'm a bit severe in my opinions of these types as i would recommend sterilising them at birth so that that type might die out in a generation or two, but since the council appear to be refilling the pot with outside blood thats not going to happen. instead they'll blight the landscape forever(i know where i'd like to stick my carbon footprint) i'm not trying to plan a master race just a people who respect others, do their best to give their kids as good a step up in life as they can and stop whinging about their lot.

it has to be said that generally all these types come from families that have never had a single member which has ever worked, some grandparents or in their case great grandparents as 16 two kids, single and yir ain hoose is the norm, might have done national service i suppose.

i can stand anything but scum, and their everywhere, be it campbeltown, drumchapel, nitshill, springburn. stirling or moss side. don't give them handouts, sterilise the buggers!!!!