Missing Toddler in Portugal

[Beachcomber]

PS. Not sure who's the pig and who's the mudwrestler

Great quote though, eh? At a company where I used to work as a programmer, many years ago now, the Development manager had a similar sign on his desk, only it referred to Quality Control testers.

Cheers
Gary

[Malky]

Just looking back in at this thread after my go at Sweltered yesterday. Sorry about that Sweltered - you got me on a bad day - hope I didn't upset you too much, you being quite delicate and all

Anyway, my comment was aimed at your sweeping statement about the amount of effort put in by the McCanns in publicising their daughters abduction against their initial responsibilities as parents. It wasn't on the wrongs and rights of the McCanns (or anyone else for that matter) leaving their kids alone.

Now I actually said that already straight after my initial post but I just want you to be clear on this because since then your posts seem to be accusing me of being a bit of an irresponsible parent. I might be, by your standards, but I might also be an over-protective parent going by the standards of others Oh, and you seem to be accusing me of being a moron now too - better not forget that

Anyway, you seem to have taken the view that by criticising the language you used, I think the McCanns were right in leaving their small children unattended. That's not true. I may not think that things are as black and white as you do but I do think it was an unwise decision (and that's without the hindsight we all have now).

I'm not going to say any more on the subject as I usually try to keep out of these things (honest) as it probably affects my task as moderator and admin. Hope I haven't killed the debate with this post. It has been very interesting since I last posted with some very good points put forward.

Malky

[general jack o'niell]

don't understand the attitude of some people, all that nonsense about checking to see if your child is still breathing is the equivalent of raising your voice in an arguement, when you reach that depth you've lost and should go sit quietly in a corner. shame on you for trying to belittle anothers concern by making snide remarks about infantile scenarios, your not a speech writer for jack Mcconnell by any chance?

if your doors and windows are locked and you are in the house that all you can do, remarks to the contrary are of a schoolyard childish and somewhat immature nature. FACT, three kids were left alone in an unlocked house for periods of at least half an hour, we only have the parents word that it wasn't longer. thats it, the only fact, they were left alone, not ten yr old or teens but a three year old girl and two toddlers, i wouldn't leave my two alone and they are 11 and 14, maybe at home if i was popping out, but i usually take the younger one with me, but never in a strange country and i speak as one who has holidayed in the same area in question with my kids four times in recent years.

as for the butlins scenario? no arguement there, we know thats what used to happen, don't need to tell us that, we experienced it ourselves as kids in the late sixties, doesn't make it right, but perhaps our parents lived in a safer time where this kind of thing didn't happen, altho i'm sure statistics would probably discredit that thought and i'm sure there were just as many child murders by people other than their own family in the sixties.

the only truth is you can never make your children totally safe, but if your with them, you can die trying, which is my point and i'm sure sweltereds too, you'd have to kill me to get to my kids, likewise my neices and nephews or any child in my care, you'd have to kill me first.

my thoughts today are with the father who has lost both his daughters who he thought were safe in the care of their mother, reports suggest she stabbed them to death as they slept, spare a thought for him

[Sweltered]

Just looking back in at this thread after my go at Sweltered yesterday. Sorry about that Sweltered - you got me on a bad day - hope I didn't upset you too much, you being quite delicate and all

Anyway, my comment was aimed at your sweeping statement about the amount of effort put in by the McCanns in publicising their daughters abduction against their initial responsibilities as parents. It wasn't on the wrongs and rights of the McCanns (or anyone else for that matter) leaving their kids alone.

Now I actually said that already straight after my initial post but I just want you to be clear on this because since then your posts seem to be accusing me of being a bit of an irresponsible parent. I might be, by your standards, but I might also be an over-protective parent going by the standards of others Oh, and you seem to be accusing me of being a moron now too - better not forget that

Anyway, you seem to have taken the view that by criticising the language you used, I think the McCanns were right in leaving their small children unattended. That's not true. I may not think that things are as black and white as you do but I do think it was an unwise decision (and that's without the hindsight we all have now).

I'm not going to say any more on the subject as I usually try to keep out of these things (honest) as it probably affects my task as moderator and admin. Hope I haven't killed the debate with this post. It has been very interesting since I last posted with some very good points put forward.

Malky

I think you are the one being over sensitive.

[Beachcomber]

First he says this:

not for the first time i'm agreeing with sweltered, maybe its our upbringing, but i've said all along i don't like the look or the sound of the father, even the way he pronounces his daughters name grates on me whenever i hear it.

And then he says this:

don't understand the attitude of some people, all that nonsense about checking to see if your child is still breathing is the equivalent of raising your voice in an arguement, when you reach that depth you've lost and should go sit quietly in a corner. shame on you for trying to belittle anothers concern by making snide remarks...

Mr Kettle? Meet Mr Pot.

Mr Pot? Meet Mr Kettle.

[Sweltered]

[gizmo]

wheelbarrow

[general jack o'niell]

away and look up the word opinion, then the phrase snide remark, there is a difference!!!

all i'll say is i wouldn't want him as my doctor, but maybe i'm just oversensitive to annoying weegie accents, really the only time i take an immediate dislike to someone, that and people who shorten my wife's name, or my own, but i haven't noticed any law which says i have to like the man, i pity the wife(his, not mine) but i don't like him one bit.

[Sheik Yir Erse]

I see Gerry McCann in back in the UK to recruit a Campaign Manager.

[Sweltered]

Aye, what's that all about

[Sheik Yir Erse]

Call me cynical, but a 9 year old boy was "abducted" tonight in Worcestershire. I wonder if the new 'Campaign Manager' will be praying this poor child is not photogenic and doesn't come from a model family, thereby allowing him to become the next media bandwagon!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/here ... 224630.stm

[general jack o'niell]

nothing on the evening news, nothing on the morning news, why is that?

[Kevin Mc]

Call me cynical, but a 9 year old boy was "abducted" tonight in Worcestershire. I wonder if the new 'Campaign Manager' will be praying this poor child is not photogenic and doesn't come from a model family, thereby allowing him to become the next media bandwagon!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/here ... 224630.stm

I only heard about this because I was in Birmingham and heard the BBC Worcester news after a traffic alert. Hope the boy is found safe and well.

[Sweltered]

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/14355

[general jack o'niell]

they'll need to wait till he gets back from america, i read his reasons for going but that doen't explain why?

now the friends they were with are claiming they saw the suspect near the apartment on the night, and others saw a man with a child near the harbour, i've been there, walked all the way along the beach from the estuary leading into portimao, and i don't remember any harbour on that stretch of coastline?

you might see an odd sardine boat (large punts) dragged up on a beach but no harbour, i've even shopped in the supermarket they showed in the papers the other day, which lies between the apartment and the "harbour" does this ficticious harbour just fit in neatly with a theory about how she was spirited from the area?