Travel Tax Petition

[Jeanette]

till you reach a certain age (16?).

Beachcomber, A few short months before the age of 16 a national insurance number is issued to you. I only know the age thing because my daughter could not get an after school job at Tesco's until she was able to prioduce the number while she was still 15.

It verifies and justifies someone being identified at pension age as being entitled to all their dues from the time they first started working.

There is nothing sinister in the system and I don't see all the hoo haa about civil liberties.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

The hoopla from my end is that it started out being one thing, promised it would never be the other, and ultimately turned into the other while the first thing quietly trots off into the sunset.

The hoopla is, it has gone from a retirement program to a means of controlling people by the government.. and will get worse, by the way. Some day it may not be a national number, but an international one and control by a larger entity.. there will be those not seeing a problem with that either.. I will.

[Jeanette]

Don't know what hoopla means and I have no interest in what happens at your end

I am referring to the rights of British citizens being entitled to what they are due at the end of their working age and the fact that without records the system would break down.

I am obviously on the wrong thread.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

It all relates.. we are walking the same path.

[gizmo]

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Its not a matter of hiding. Its a matter of privacy.

Maybe Americans think differently about government control and/or privacy.. or maybe its just me. Maybe books like 1984 had an effect on me.. maybe I think that a person has the right to be a vagabond if thats what they choose, a right to live their life without it being under a microscope, a right to get lost in the world, a right to not have the world see their income, their purchases, their credit, their medical issues, and a right to close their curtains, even if they aren't doing anything "wrong."

The entities that mean no harm are not always going to be the entities who have the only access to the information. And who knows how the next entities will use it.

[Friend of Dorothy]

Don't know what hoopla means and I have no interest in what happens at your end

I am referring to the rights of British citizens being entitled to what they are due at the end of their working age and the fact that without records the system would break down.

I am obviously on the wrong thread.

Since I posted this I maybe should bring you up to speed........I am more concerned about the future of our planet than I am about cars and petitions !

[Beachcomber]

till you reach a certain age (16?).

Beachcomber, A few short months before the age of 16 a national insurance number is issued to you. I only know the age thing because my daughter could not get an after school job at Tesco's until she was able to prioduce the number while she was still 15.

Thanks, I thought it was somewhere around then. I remember my eldest lad getting his through the post.

[John S]

[quote]My '4WD Monster' is a lot cleaner than many of your small family cars because it burns propane, not petrol, as a fuel. I still have to pay £190/yr to road tax it though[/quote]

It still contributes to global warming all the same, and while I don't doubt that your journeys are all necessary, the most effective way to reduce carbon emissions is to minimise vehicle use through incentives and improved public transport. Propane is a non renewable, you'd be better running it on vegetable oil, after all the first internal combustion engine was designed to run on peanut oil. see -

http://www.ybiofuels.org/bio_fuels/history_diesel.html

[Beachcomber]

My '4WD Monster' is a lot cleaner than many of your small family cars because it burns propane, not petrol, as a fuel. I still have to pay £190/yr to road tax it though

It still contributes to global warming all the same, and while I don't doubt that your journeys are all necessary, the most effective way to reduce carbon emissions is to minimise vehicle use through incentives and improved public transport. Propane is a non renewable, you'd be better running it on vegetable oil, after all the first internal combustion engine was designed to run on peanut oil

There are two problems with running it on vegetable oil:

1. It's fitted with a petrol engine - it would need to be a diesel to run on chip fat.

2. Gods alone know how far I'd have to drive to find somewhere that stocked bio-diesel.

Propane was for decades just allowed to burn-off from the rigs, which was a criminal waste in my opinion.

Ethanol is already used as a replacement for petrol in several parts of the world and I'd be good to see that developed for use in the UK. No doubt the Treasury have already worked out how they'd heavily tax us for using it, in much the same way that they do for bio-diesels.