Catholic Adoption Agency

[Friend of Dorothy]

Tigers and Lions and Bears OH NO!!! Sounds like Surfboard has an axe to grind. 'Pink whip militants'........ ist thou colour blind??????

[Surfbored]

Everything in moderation they say ..............

Discrimination is a terrible thing, no matter the catalyst of the discrimination.

Lack of rights (or legal status), for any adult in ANY stable & committed relationship, is unthinkable.

But, let's be real about this ............. if you have overcome the prejudices above .................

......... given the problems in this world, I much rather see legislation passed that had significant impact on global issues, I'd much rather see the tv & media giving airtime to world hunger or global warming ........ than frankly, some Gay Fundamentalists on a pink crusade ....................... everything in moderation I say

[Rumpole]

I have to concede that in this case, the RCs are being discriminated against. To be blunt, there's no way the government would invoke a legal ruling against eg. ISLAM, in these troubled times.

There are any number of private adoption agencies operating in Britain and so far as I know it's only the Popists who feel they should be given special dispensation to discriminate. Whether the others will quietly an privately operate their own discriminatory practices I don't know, but it's only the Catholics who are pushing the issue into the spotlight.

As for the wider issue, this is only the tip of the "the thou shalt not discriminate against gays or thou shalt find thy ass in court" nonsense being lobbyed by the gay rights movement and endorsed by politicians falling over themselves to whore votes (by courting minority groups) in the forthcoming election. This IS opening the Floodgates of Litigation to ANY minority with an axe to grind.

That's the whole point of the legislation though. It isn't 'Pro-Gay', as such, it just says you can't be anti-gay.

If the government were to give in and make a special case for the Catholics agencies then what next? Another group demands the right not to approve people who have freckles, or who are left handed, or Catholic? All on religious grounds? How is this supposed to help children?

[Sweltered]

Have to agree with Rumpole, the whole concept is to be anti discrimanatory, not pro gay or anti catholic, but as usual the persecution complex kicks in and it's all about the catholic church. Did any islamic organisation lobby for an exemption for moslems? As far as I can see the law was written and the catholic church opposed it, so Surfboard, it covers Moslems already, they may have challenged it tho.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

There are any number of private adoption agencies operating in Britain and so far as I know it's only the Popists who feel they should be given special dispensation to discriminate. Whether the others will quietly an privately operate their own discriminatory practices I don't know, but it's only the Catholics who are pushing the issue into the spotlight.

Are the private agencies religous based? Are you saying that Muslim agencies have no problem adopting kids to gay men?

Just as an aside, just because I see other sides to this issue doesn't mean I am anti-gay or pro-Catholic (heaven forbid). Sometimes things work better when they are done slower and allowed to evolve instead of BAM! this is how it is.

[daftdog]

There are any number of private adoption agencies operating in Britain and so far as I know it's only the Popists who feel they should be given special dispensation to discriminate. Whether the others will quietly an privately operate their own discriminatory practices I don't know, but it's only the Catholics who are pushing the issue into the spotlight.

Are the private agencies religious based? Are you saying that Muslim agencies have no problem adopting kids to gay men?

I think Rumpole's point is that the only agency to kick up a fuss is the Catholic Adoption Agency. They might even be the only one with a religious back ground, but the Archbishop of Canterbury himself is quoted to have said in a letter to the PM, that

The Catholic Church utterly condemns all forms of unjust discrimination, violence, harassment or abuse directed against people who are homosexual. Indeed the Church teaches that they must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity.

but still wishes to be able to discriminate against them in the provision of adoption services, because to do otherwise would be to compromise its teaching on family life and the exclusivity of heterosexual marriage.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

It is a controversial issue. Parliament is still debating it. It isn't just the catholic church. I bet there are some protestants right there in campbeltown who don't agree with it.

Reuters Jan 25:
On Thursday, Muslims voiced support for the exemption and described the government's apparent rejection as absurd.

"The Muslim Council of Britain fully supports the principled stand taken by the leaders of the Catholic and Anglican Churches," it said in a statement, adding that homosexuality is banned in Islam.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe ... m+%2F+News

[daftdog]

My point is...

The placing of a child should not be decided on religious beliefs. It should be on welfare issues only.

[Rumpole]

"The Muslim Council of Britain fully supports the principled stand taken by the leaders of the Catholic and Anglican Churches," it said in a statement, adding that homosexuality is banned in Islam.

Please be aware that the so-called Muslim Council of Britain is a self-appointed quango that does *not* necessarily represent the views of more than a minority of Muslims in Great Britain.

[Surfbored]

Have to agree with Rumpole, the whole concept is to be anti discrimanatory, not pro gay or anti catholic .........

The First Law of REALITY states :- concepts are just that and ALWAYS look better on paper ..............

[Annie]

"Quango" ...

[big tony]

why any, och who cares?

the question is why is there a need for a catholic adoption agency in the first place?

if they weren't against birth control and abortions they wouldn't need to exist.

simplified arguement i know but it's the welfare of the children thats important, not the sexual predilictions or religious beliefs of the parents.

personally i think anyone with strong religious beliefs should be banned from adopting, next we'll be banning the teaching of evolution in the schools.

whats wrong with growing up with good dress sense and a nice taste in curtains?

you can always trust in me to bring down the standard of any arguement, why anyone who isn't either gay or catholic should even have an opinion is beyond me?

for the record!! i don't have an opinion, well, not one worthy of merit anyway, i think bored parents shouldn't be allowed access to the internet, any takers?

[Bobbie En Tejas]

smack!

Sorry, I had to do that for your own good

[gizmo]

Should evolution be taught in schools? It is only a theory. Even Darwin had his doubts....

[Friend of Dorothy]

Aren't all religions based on theory There are also many theories in mathematics etc