£5 MILLION JACKPOT

[Sweltered]

sorry, it was funny but could be enterprated as being in bad taste at best and grossly homophobic at worst. the woman probably has never even seen a strap on

Gold, pure gold

[ionnsaigh]

All that glitters

[hugh]

"Acts of genocide against the Celtic race by fellow Celts".

8th november 1987

[ionnsaigh]

hugh,

I suppose that is a valid example of genocide - however one side refused to acknowledge - or accept their Celtic identity - or placed it at a level that was chiefly subservient to the British crown. The Irish Republican Army - unlike the Scottish regiments within the British Army - acted independently of rules - usually associated with standing armies. If you have to compare a regular army - with any self styled group of freedom fighters - that by their very nature - don't follow the established rules of engagement. The communist sections of the IRA where sadly defeated in the Irish Civil war.

[hugh]

"One side"? They weren't on a "side", they were innocent victims of a brutishly stupid movement. It was a pointless and cowardly waste of
human life.

I looked at that portrait of Blair and thought that the artist had been remarkably clever and subtle, though maybe I read it wrong. You'll note
that Blair seems to be "fading" while that bright red poppy stays firmly in focus? Doesn't that just sum up Blair's tenure. The man was all image,
spin and soundbite....and when what little substance there was slips from the memory the only lasting legacy of his premiership will be the
aftermath of another pointless war. Symbolised by the poppy.

Bill was right in the original posting. We live in a cock-eyed, self-centred world that seems to see routine knocks as tremendous injustices and
tragedy as a potential lottery win. A generation born hard done by, everything is always somebody else's fault. Like people brought up within
a free and open democracy who still manage to criticise that system every chance they get. It aint perfect but it is changeable, and within it you
are allowed to express any cultural identity you want. This country fought a war once, and laid its very existence on the line for precisely that
principle. Not the self-seeking image bolstering one that Bush and Blair tricked everyone into, an earlier one against a truly genocidal enemy.

There's not many left now, and I don't suppose it'll be too long before they all fade away but there are some survivors from that war and they're
not suing for compensation; they rely on the poppy fund a great deal for some comfort in their final years. So come on Ionns.- next October or
November buy as many poppies as you can. You don't have to wear them if you feel it'll compromise your cultural identity, but just remember
that "the Brit army" once fought for your freedom of expression.

P.S. Just in case you're wondering...yes, I am a 'Gers fan but I don't belong to any brigade. I think all terrorist movements that have sprung up
in these islands in the last forty years or so are brutishly stupid.

That's it - I'm getting off this soapbox now 'cos I'm getting bloody dizzy

[A Horse called Juan Face]

Regicide much worse if you ask me

What about those two princes locked in the tower?
WHAT ABOUT THEM? LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE

[ionnsaigh]

hugh,

I hate to burst your idealistic bubble mate - sides are a naturally occurring phenomenon in the development of all things. There was the side who - up to fairly recent past - that never had a vote. A side who couldn't get work in the major industries ( Harland Wolf ) . A police force with a brutal history of one particular side. A Catholic side and a favoured Protestant side. Nationalist Republican Irish side against a British Loyalist side. One side revolutionary, the other reactionary.

As far as the Blair portrait is concerned - admittedly yes your right - it is clever and makes a relevant point. Can you honestly include the republican side in your " people brought up in a free and open democracy "
The catholic side - where they allowed to express their cultural identity - As Scots we are expected to give respect to a British national anthem - that glorifies the crushing of rebellious Scots.

The poppy in your words symbolised the memory of the aftermath of another pointless war. Yet in direct contradiction - you say that a war was fought once - and laid out it's very existence - on the principles of freedom of speech and the right of expressing cultural identity. So what happened in Ireland ?.
The war against the fascists started in Spain 1936 - with the armed resurrection against the democratic elected government of the time. If the British government where in any way sincere about freedom and democracy - why the question begs - did they secretly arm the fascist forces.

[hugh]

If you think there was the slightest shred of justification for what happened to those people on 8th Nov. 1987, then political ideology doesn't
come into it; it's bigotry, pure and simple - and I felt all along that's where you were coming from. (metaphorically, that is.)

I'm saying no more on that subject, because it's one I don't care for and one which most people would find distasteful.

[ionnsaigh]

hugh,
Of course it's distasteful - any balanced person would find it so. I never offered, or intended any form of justification, for what happened to those poor people - other than attempting to setting the record straight. I was surprised and disappointed that you felt that it was a bigoted point of view. However no one is above prejudice - neither you nor I. I wondered why - you choose 8th Nov. 1987, as being particularly significant - remembering the course of the thread. re; genocide. In terms of both numbers and discrimination - events on Sunday 30th January 1972, are perhaps best suited as an example. Twenty Six, civilians participating in the right of peaceful democratic protest - under the banner one man one vote - the fundamental element of democracies worldwide. - or some - being caught up in the events of that day, where shot by the parachute regiment. Fourteen, died as a result - Six, of whom where minors. One bomb requires one finger to press one button. Twenty Six requires more fingers on the trigger.

[Sweltered]

Enough

[general jack o'niell]

is it just me or did my post referring to a strapon make absolutely no sense? its been quoted twice and i went back to refresh my memory, it being what it is, the original post makes no sense, in fact it looks to be completely out of context, in fact, it doesn't exist, did i miss something? did i delete it? did someone else delete or edit it? was i a bad boy and said something i shouldn't? i honestly can't remember, damn, i hate it when that happens, nevermind, theres a new girl moved in here, nice girl, bit hughly strung, fallen out with her old man or something, can't make out if its her husband or her father, she gitters on something terrible, if you ask me she's been raiding the medicine cabinet or something. i gave her a couple of my pills, that seemed to calm her down a bit. now she won't stop singing, think she's been abused by someone, she keeps asking me to hit her one more time, you know me when i think someone needs a good slap. i'm off to the kitchen, me and britney are making pancakes today, leslie is coming for tea tomorrow, wednesday, seems its her birthday or something?

[Bobbie En Tejas]

was i a bad boy and said something i shouldn't?

Yes but we expect that.

[bill]

was i a bad boy and said something i shouldn't?

Yes but we expect that.

I DO'NT KNOW

[ionnsaigh]

Talkin of bad boy's - I have you of those coming up in about an hours time. Nae merr fags in the hoose. Move the stuff that may prove dangerous - except heavy furniture etc
My little worlds - about to change drastically.

[general jack o'niell]

it's not funny if i can't remember what it was, i have no idea, so now i'm puzzled, see what you've done, you've made me confuse myself, in a different way than normal, no, thats abuse, see!!!! now you're getting me mixed up, how am i meant to function properly if i can't bask in the approval of my wee brother due to the fact i can't remember what is was that he approved of?

and now my pancakes have gone cold, too much time spent blethering to phil harris, skipper of the cornelia marie, i'm away to my shed.


your all just a shower of, finish it yourselfs, save it getting deleted and me coming back and forgetting what it was that i thought you were a shower of in the first place



bastards!!!!

thats it, i remember now, not the first bit, still a blank there, but the second bit, the bit referring to a shower of, and the fact that some "you'se" forget who these you's were, but i'm sure it'll come back to me, maybe it was ewes. maybe it was yews, i'm still away to my shed, at least when i speak in there no one edits me.

see "no discriminate you, or any non you, or you that may refer to someone or thing other than me, or you, or yew, or ewe" later

ps. seeing as i can't remember the beginning of this thread, to compensate i'm going to set aside a whole day, just to post endless drivel on a wide variety of subjects, no real point, but i'm sure someone will find it annoying, if so, then my work here will be done, not done in a finished never to be repeated, edited, added to or subsequently discussed done, no, i mean done, as in "that'll do for now" done, the kind of done that you'll mean to finish tomorrow but just poke at with a stick from time to time, never getting round to completing it. bit like the tasks i had planned for today, 3.15pm and not a thing "done" what have i been doing all day, doing as in the act of getting something done, not someone, thats the job of the polis, mmm, don't go confusing the doing either, now i mention polis, thats a different doing entirely, as in getting a-you never know, some folk are slow, need things explained to them in short words in big letters, lots to do, not the to do that might end up with you getting a doing and getting done, the to do that means i could be doing with getting the things to do done, doh!!!

confused? then call this high priced phoneline, make your choice from the selection of 45 seperate choices, then wait on hold for 35 mins before we cut you off, charging £5.79 to your phone account.

you'll be that mad, you'll forget what it was confused you, our success rate is 97%, we aim to stamp out confusion by the year 1983, alternatively if you would like to speak in person with one of our representatives, tough, theres only me and i've too much to do, doing, or getting done to spare the time, i will however put you on the list for an appointment which is currently , 18 months. so if you have a confused elder relative or are indeed a confused elder relative enjoy the wait. you never know, the wait might do you good, or you could buy my magic beans, no calories, low in cholestarol, just watch the wait drop off, thats the name for when you've been waiting a year and we accidently put you to the back of the queue, but it hardly ever happens, we only get two, maybe three, thousand who experience the wait drop off in any given calender year. lucky for you, i haven't bought a calender this year.

have to go, me and britney are doubles partners at swingball