Poverty causes crime

[LANDROVER ROGER]

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Might be a good idea to calm down a little.

[giantredwood]

read your own post,the few who we have to support will always be there,its the price we pay for being civiliased.the alternative would be rioting,people commiting heinous crimes to survive etc.take a look at south africa,brazil etc etc and then tell me its not woth it.
you must have your head up your own ass iff you accept the goverment wasting billions on bailouts,it projects,the olympics etc,and can only find a small minority on social to moan about.go and get a life you blind and pathetic person.
oh yea and mps expenses,the scottish parliament i could go on but people like you choose to ignore the facts and go for the easy targets.

You know nothing about me and despite your ignorant offensive name calling I actually agree with you about all these other wastes of public money, however despite being 'blind and ' pathetic', I can still read the title of this thread and it has nothing whatsoever to do with these other subjects.

[Mod7]

Back on thread please all. A good thread going bad fast, please get back to the topic of discussion.

[gizmo]

a leaf does not turn brown without the silent knowledge of the whole tree.


I dont think anyone has said there is not a need to help those less fortunate than theirselves. I believe most people think the system, as designed, is a wonderul idea. If people are in genuine need then they should be helped, no-one ever knows when they may need help themselves. But there also the element who do not intend to contribute, who abuse the system. What is the incentive for me to drag my weary arse out my bed in the cold, dark mornings if the bloke next door (who could work) chooses to stay under the duvet until Trisha comes on.

[Govangirl]

Have any of you retards

Four eyes, I object to that offensive remark. The great majority of folk on here have understanding and compassion for the genuinely poor. There may be some who abide by the 'There is no such thing as society. We are individuals' philosophy but don't tar us all with the same brush. Did you really read the posts or, like Ionns, just pick out the bits you didn't like? It's a relevant discussion so why be so defensive? I'm just wondering what it was in particular that you found so disturbing? I'm totally shocked as I always found myself in agreement with your posts, particularly in your defence of the weak or undermined.
And as for you Ionns, you're just trying to cause mischief You knew exactly what I meant so stop scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something to attack. We're on the same side here.

[Coxy]

a leaf does not turn brown without the silent knowledge of the whole tree.

I'm sure youve seen all these before but have a look.


http://www.edupics.com/en-coloring-pict ... i7694.html

http://www.borgenproject.org/Pictures.html

http://www.photovault.com/Link/People/o ... ume01.html

Perhaps a sense of perspective is required to quantify Poverty in the UK and elsewhere

[Lossit Lass]

Thanks, Coxy, for posting the photos. Periodically, people need to be reminded, with a hard slap, what REAL poverty is.

We have got to stop this useless griping, complaining & blaming & remember that real, inhumane poverty is a lifelong reality for so many in our world, thru no fault of their own. At the same time, 'poverty' can be completely subjective. Many of the poorest of humanity feel rich in this life, while the wealthiest among us feel they need...nay, deserve...more & more & more.

It's plain that crime is not *caused* by poverty. Incomprehensibly wealthy corporate management have proven to be criminals. No poverty to shoulder it there, for sure.

Blame & name calling (wow) is only feeding the hate machine that had it's gluttonous fill long ago. This is one of the very reasons we're in the state we are in today. Pure, narcissistic greed without any feelings of personal responsibility or accountability for the fallout that inevitably results.......from the heads of big-business corporations & banks all the way 'down' to the people among us who *accepted* those exorbitant mortgages, consumer loans, credit cards, *choosing* to believe the morally deficient lenders who told them they CAN afford the loan, while their own wiser logic & checkbook clearly indicated they couldn't, at least not without putting themselves & their families at great risk of literally loosing it all with the slightest shift in personal circumstances. Which is exactly what is happening, & with it the screams of injustice now coming from both sides.

We are all responsible in some way. Sometimes it's just as simple & obvious as that, to have us end up where we now sit.
& what has changed? Not much apparently. We're still playing the blame game, catering to our own 'I deserve it more than you' mentality, 'Your fault, not mine' mindset. Somehow we have to find the humility to take that 1st, hardest step & actually accept some of the responsibility, at least for our own part in all of it...we all have some degree of blame to embrace.

& good or bad, the recession is leveling the playing field...right under our feet.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Does anyone go along with the idea that we now have a feral section of society in the U.K?Not necessary driven by poverty,but just committing various types of crime at will.I refer to various types of crime including knife/gun etc.,not just theft.

[four eyes]

a leaf does not turn brown without the silent knowledge of the whole tree.

I'm sure youve seen all these before but have a look.


http://www.edupics.com/en-coloring-pict ... i7694.html

http://www.borgenproject.org/Pictures.html

http://www.photovault.com/Link/People/o ... ume01.html

Perhaps a sense of perspective is required to quantify Poverty in the UK and elsewhere

perhaps we aint seeing this here as we have taxes to pay,they pay for civalization.much as you and i may dislike them.
sorry for being an ass,but this subject really gets my goat.
i still say to all of you if you think its a doddle on the brew try it,not just for a week but for six months or so and maybe then you will be qualified to comment.
what about all the tax dodgin etc etc,that costs more than any amount of benefit fraud.oh i give up none so blind etc etc aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[gizmo]

Correct. There are none so blind as those who will not see. No-one said it is a dawdle on the buroo. No-one said people shouldnt get help if they need it. No-one said all people on benefits are scroungers. I think if you go back through the posts you will notice that any criticism is aimed at people who can work and choose not to, not at those who would work if they could.

[ionnsaigh]

BBC home affairs correspondent Daniel Sandford said that over the past 30 years, burglary rates appeared to have peaked at times of economic hardship, like the mid-1980s and the early 1990s.

Last year, a leaked memo from Ms Smith to Gordon Brown warned of a likely increase in "acquisitive" crimes, including burglary, as a result of the economic downturn.

[hugh]

Criminals cause crime.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

If poverty causes crime, how do you explain wall street?

[ionnsaigh]

Capitalism.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

lol.. I finally understand...

Anyone who commits crime in communist states or socialist states are capitalists at heart.

Was looking at the murder rate per capita in the world.. not sure how accurate the statistics are, seeing as the united states probably hangs out more of its dirty laundry than almost anywhere else, but

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_m ... per-capita

Russia is #5. The United States is #24. The UK #46. I'm not sure North Korea or China make their statistics public.

Seems that the poorer countries have the least thefts and burglaries. Maybe poverty has less to do with it than greed, someone thinking that it is their right to take what belongs to someone else.