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Postby Annie » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:57 am

Not to beat a dead horse, but the interpretation of a decent job is up for discussion


The KILM serves to showcase the ILO Agenda

The following are some examples of how the KILM can be used to inform policy in key areas of ILO research:

Promoting the ILO’s Decent Work Agenda

The ILO’s Decent Work Agenda aims to promote opportunities for women and men to obtain productive work, in conditions of freedom, equity, security and human dignity. As a growing number of governments, employers and workers investigate options for designing policies that adhere to the principles of decent work, it is possible that policy-makers will look for possible ways of interpreting the term “decent”. Applying the concept of “decent” to any form of economic activity is a matter for discussion; for example, personal perceptions of what constitutes a decent wage could differ significantly from person to person. That said, there are certain conditions relating to the world of work that are almost universally accepted as “bad” – working but earning an income that does not lift one above the poverty line or working under conditions where the fundamental principals and rights at work are not respected, for instance.



As you state, what I do or do not think of as a decent job might be a lifelong dream for someone less fortunate! Even one whose job it is to pick lettuce. However, I do not believe that someone in that particular vocation could do my job either! Therefore, all is relative. So no, I would not work for $4 per day; my education is worth more than that!

Also, I very much doubt that you would do it yourself. So touche!

Upward motivation should be nurtured and encouraged always!

I will defer back to the subject at hand!
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:19 am

Annie wrote:Not to beat a dead horse...


By all means don't let horse hear you say that....
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Postby Annie » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:50 am

Dead horses can hear????

I forgot, horses can do everything!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is what I get for getting carried away with M Y S E L F !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, just a topic close to my heart!!!!!!!!!!

Apologies to all!!!!!!!!! :cry: :lol:
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Postby Trapper » Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:57 am

The E.U. i a gret idea in principle. It's supposed to give workers across europe equal rights and standards of living but In reality this doesn't happen. If we wan't workers across europe to be the same and have the opportunitys then why don't the people in brussels force a standard minimum wage on every country in europe, have a standard income tax rate for the whole of europe and have a standard national inurance system for the whole of europe! In reality this wouldn't go down well with most folk (although it would be fine wi me), alhough this isn't the reason it wouldn't be done, I mean since when did democratic governments listen to the electorate! No the real reason we live in an ever expanding E.U. is so that goverment and big buisness can employ cheap labour legally as opposed to illegaly. In this profit driven, consumerised society nothing is ever done on behalf of or for the benefit of the normal man on the street, whether he is from campbeltown, honolulu or warsaw, everything is done to ensure those with the money and the power continue to have it . Saying that it's been like that for thousands of years now so who am I to want change.
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Postby Neil » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:03 am

Got out of bed, wasn't feeling too good
With my wallet and my passport, a new pair of shoes
The sun is shining so I head for the park,
With a bottle of Tequila, and a new pack of cigarettes

I got a cousin and she got a friend,
Who thought that her aunt knew a man who could help
At his apartment I knocked on the door,
He wouldn't come out until he got paid.
Now don't tell anybody what I wanna do
If they find out you know that they'll never let me through, cos

It's no fun being an illegal alien, no
It's no fun being an illegal alien

Down at the office had to fill out the forms
A pink one, a red one, the colours you choose,
Up to the counter to see what they think
They said "it doesn't count man, it ain't written in ink".
I don't trust anybody, least not around here, cos

It's no fun being an illegal alien, I tell ya
It's no fun being an illegal alien, no no no no no
It's no fun being an illegal alien, I mean it when I tell ya that
It's no fun being an illegal alien,
An illegal alien, O.K.

Consideration for your fellow man
Would not hurt anybody, it sure fits in with my plan
Over the border, there lies the promised land
Where everything comes easy, you just hold out your hand

Keep your suspicions, I've seen that look before
But I ain't done nothing wrong now, is that such a suprise
But I've got a sister who'd be willing to oblige
She will do anything now to help me get to the outside

So don't tell anybody what I wanna do
If they find out you know that they'll never let me through, because

It's no fun being an illegal alien, I tell ya
It's no fun being an illegal alien, and it's getting me down
It's no fun being an illegal alien, no no no no no
It's no fun being an illegal alien, yeah yeah yeah

It's no fun (not much fun) being an illegal alien, I tell ya that
It's no fun being an illegal alien, I tell ya
It's no fun being an illegal alien, no no no
It's no fun (not bloody much fun) being an illegal alien,
It's no fun being an illegal alien, and that's what I am.

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Postby A Horse called Juan Face » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:01 pm

Trapper wrote:The E.U. i a gret idea in principle. It's supposed to give workers across europe equal rights and standards of living but In reality this doesn't happen. If we wan't workers across europe to be the same and have the opportunitys then why don't the people in brussels force a standard minimum wage on every country in europe, have a standard income tax rate for the whole of europe and have a standard national inurance system for the whole of europe! In reality this wouldn't go down well with most folk (although it would be fine wi me), alhough this isn't the reason it wouldn't be done, I mean since when did democratic governments listen to the electorate! No the real reason we live in an ever expanding E.U. is so that goverment and big buisness can employ cheap labour legally as opposed to illegaly. In this profit driven, consumerised society nothing is ever done on behalf of or for the benefit of the normal man on the street, whether he is from campbeltown, honolulu or warsaw, everything is done to ensure those with the money and the power continue to have it . Saying that it's been like that for thousands of years now so who am I to want change.


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Postby jock the boat » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:03 pm

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Yeah, Trapper!

Postby Annie » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:10 pm

Good point! Especially for those who do not live in EU and think it is the norm; when, in fact it is NOT! It looks good on paper and fails miserably in practice!
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Immigrants

Postby Sweltered » Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:43 am

Speaking as a permanent resident living in Florida. No-one cares about illegals here as long as their grass gets cut!
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Postby petewick » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:14 am

This has been going on for many years, we blame immigration because it is an easy target, but in fact it's just a diversion from all the greater wrong that goes on in this country.

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Postby Trapper » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:27 pm

well said mr wick.
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re politics\ immigration

Postby mary,queen of everything » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:23 pm

I am in agreement with both Dorian & annie.
As an immigrant to the US going through all the papework etc and finally becoming a citizen, Turning a blind eye to open borders Is a slap in the face to those of us who did things the right way. We pay the taxes. Meanwhile schools, assistance programs and health care all suffer the consequences of groups of people who by playing pass the welfare & social security card put the relief and health care systems in jeopardy.
As to the statement that illegals take jobs that americans dont want, I believe that is rubbish. Americans wont be treated like dirt and paid 4 dollars and hour, and terminated from that job on a daily basis. Locally we have a business that routinely employs illegals at minimum wage, finds them a place to stay, puts 10 or more people in a house and deducts 100 dollars a week from their paychecks to pay for their rent. These people are treated very much like the slaves of the " old south". This is a disgrace. Are we by allowing this border crossing condoning the treatment of these people.?.
In the US are we creating an illegal immigrant work force that will live at the bottom of society to afraid to speak out against unfair wages and work practices and at the same time creating the employer who dosnt pay into the government programs as he should, because his workers are illegal, so no Social security, income taxes, etc out of paychecks as mandated by law?
I am in no way against immigration, I have travelled extensivelly in central america and am very aware of living conditions there, but I have also seen the stain of poverty on Africa, india etc. A very wise african leader once said about her people, I cant stop them from leaving but if they dont stay we can not change what is wrong with our Country and improve our lives.
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Postby Annie » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:07 pm

I can completely concur with each and every word you said!
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Re: re politics\ immigration

Postby bubbly jock » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:13 pm

mary,queen of everything wrote: A very wise african leader once said about her people, I cant stop them from leaving but if they dont stay we can not change what is wrong with our Country and improve our lives.


Very profound hen but you're away off the subject. I don't think we are speaking about folk leaving. It's folk coming in that is the topic here. By the way why did you leave the toon??

mary,queen of everything wrote:and deducts 100 dollars a week from their paychecks to pay for their rent. These people are treated very much like the slaves of the " old south".

Another wee question for you, Are you so outraged at their condition that you would treat them for free at a hospital you worked in?????

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Postby Annie » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:18 pm

What she is saying is that they get treatment for free at clinics and at local county hospitals, and it is the rest of us that foot the bill. They do not get substandard treatment either, and also get medications they need provided to them also. The rest of us have to carry health insurance, pay deductibles and co-pays and conform to the constrictions of our own particular health care coverage.
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