Immigration

[Bobbie En Tejas]

As to the statement that illegals take jobs that americans dont want, I believe that is rubbish. Americans wont be treated like dirt and paid 4 dollars and hour, and terminated from that job on a daily basis. Locally we have a business that routinely employs illegals at minimum wage, finds them a place to stay, puts 10 or more people in a house and deducts 100 dollars a week from their paychecks to pay for their rent. These people are treated very much like the slaves of the " old south". This is a disgrace. Are we by allowing this border crossing condoning the treatment of these people.?.

Actually, my point was against playing the game, which was to make them get here and live under dreadful conditions, possibly risking their lives to work for ranchers and farmers who are putting the buck in their own pockets. These people are willing to work and choosing to work. Personally, I don't know one person who would choose to run to the fields, so why not let them? Why not make it legal? They do not have the education you had and don't have the means to save the money the way you and annie did, so should we make them stay in Mexico? Are there groups of people in the UK or Europe who are licking their chops at the chance to come and work all day in the hot sun in America?

And if they are well educated and willing to pay big dollars for that chance, by all means send them.

[bubbly jock]

treatment for free at clinics and at local county hospitals, and it is the rest of us that foot the bill. They do not get substandard treatment either,

What do you want Annie? Your grass cut by a sick illegal immigrant or a healthy illegal immigrant. He'll make a better job if he is in tip top condition. Don't you think??

The rest of us have to carry health insurance, pay deductibles and co-pays and conform to the constrictions of our own particular health care coverage.

That's the price you pay for choosing to live there.

bubbly

ps. who does get substandard treatment?

[Bobbie En Tejas]

And let me add one thing to that, if someone has risked their life to come here, and was willing to work in the fields under the conditions you say they work under near you, don't you think these people would have the incentive to better their lives and the lives of their children if it is possible? We aren't talking about lazy people who are here to get a free handout. They aren't thinking of health care for the most part, they are thinking of feeding their families and having a better life.

Health care and insurance is another thread altogether.

[Neil]

They aren't thinking of health care for the most part, they are thinking of feeding their families and having a better life.

Health care and insurance is another thread altogether.

Problem is bobbie only a small percentage are looking to escape to protect their family due to certain reasons,its the money making buggers behind them telling them they can get into whatever country if they pay ££££SSS or $$$$$$$$ so the system is being exploited to death by these people.

[dgraves]

Medical care is definitely a different can of worms!!

At least they would be ligitimately here and could seek education to better their lot.

The children are already afforded an education..its the parents or workers that would benefit from having a green card that would legitimize their status, albeit temporarily.

I don't think any of us agrees with the exploitation of immigrant labor. Educating the parents or workers would be a step towards citizenship.

[mary,queen of everything]

sorry bubbly, didnt mean to be profound.
As to health care, I have worked in health care at many levels and yes we do treat for free.By law we cannot turn anyone away, dosnt matter if they have a sore throat or a massive heart attack or just need their gallbladder yanked out.
As to when I left the beautiful area of the town ( always in my heart) a few winters ago
MQOE

[Annie]

There is people in and around the town that do plenty of things in the fields! Who do you think houks the tatties?? Others gather wilks by the Stone and get paid minimally for it, and it is a cold and nasty, wet job! Others around town do things like clean the big houses up on the Askomil Roads, wait tables for weddings and funerals, etc. There are plenty people right in the town that do things for just about nothing and are grateful for it too! Not everyone is on the broo!!!!!!

[Bobbie En Tejas]

haha Dorian, you caught my dig on the insurance companies before I edited. I obviously have some strong opinions in that regard also...

I never mind people or companies making a fair buck or a decent wage, I don't care who they are. I do have a problem with legalized extortion or people getting rich off the misery of other people.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

There is people in and around the town that do plenty of things in the fields! Who do you think houks the tatties?? Others gather wilks by the Stone and get paid minimally for it, and it is a cold and nasty, wet job! Others around town do things like clean the big houses up on the Askomil Roads, wait tables for weddings and funerals, etc. There are plenty people right in the town that do things for just about nothing and are grateful for it too! Not everyone is on the broo!!!!!!

[mary,queen of everything]

hey annie, I did the tatties and the wilks too, no wonder I'm all worn out.

[Annie]

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I never mind people or companies making a fair buck or a decent wage, I don't care who they are. I do have a problem with legalized extortion or people getting rich off the misery of other people.

I must say, after all that, I have definitely got to agree with you on that one! Exploitation sucks!!!!!!!!!![/i]

[bubbly jock]

There is people in and around the town that do plenty of things in the fields! Who do you think houks the tatties??

The farmer does it with a tattie howkin machine and doesn't employ anyone to do it. It just isn't cost effective anymore.

Others gather wilks by the Stone and get paid minimally for it, and it is a cold and nasty, wet job!

C'mon Annie, nobody makes them lift whelks. They do it to supplement the money that they get in their Giro and have no intention of working at a real job even if it jumped up and bit them on the erse.

You will find that the cleaners who are gainfully employed are paid a very good wage well above the minimum set out by the government. Don't class them with the whelk pickers and the grass beautifiers who have scrounging down to a fine art.

bubbly

[Annie]

Bubbly, again you have backed me into a corner, and again you are right! Tatties are no longer houked by folks, and the wilk pickers do choose, as you say, to do it, to supplement their Giro checks! LOL

On another response, though ..

ps. who does get substandard treatment?

I do believe that the homeless and or the mentally ill sometimes do get the short end of the stick in the medical community. They are usually stabilized and sent out the door. Most of them become criminals or get into criminal activity just to get sent to jail, or in the situation of someone who is schizophrenic, for example, just to get decent treatment!

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Actually, the short end of the stick are the self employed who make a decent wage, but don't have anyone sharing the expense of insurance, i.e., they don't work for a company that offers insurance, and may not be able to afford the $300 to $500 a month insurance premiums. They make too much to get government help, and are therefore stuck with the exorbitant prices of the system. And people without insurance who don't qualify for help actually pay more than the going rate that insurance companies pay and also are expected to pay out of pocket upfront. When you are talking about a $1500 CT scan, some lab tests, the doctor's appointment before and after, thats quite a bit of change.

As an addendum: The above also includes those people who work at jobs that don't give their employees enough hours to fall into a "full-time" category, and may be making a low wage and expected to carry the insurance themselves.

[Neil]

What gets me is with all our families safe....do we see how hard must it be for a real fella with a wife and kids risking his/their life savings to come to another country hoping for a fair chance just to save his kids.?

To be honest who wouldnt risk what they had for a better life...if given the chance?...i know i would.