Ronnie Biggs poll - let him out?

[ionnsaigh]

al-Megrahi, was found guilty of the Lockerbie bombing, if he thinks he is innocent, then he should keep appealing.

Problem is that he is not alone in thinking, that there has been a miscarriage of justice. Jim Swire ( UKFF 103 ) Spokesperson
has added concerns regarding the verdict. Ironically he has to appeal to the British State - remembering the same said state - colluded with U.V.F. mass murderer Robert Campbell.
Now there was no question as to the guilt of Biggs, re his part in the robbery, and his subsequent escape from custody.
Also noted that - there appears a tendency - to further indite Biggs to the death of the Rail Worker -This appears almost exclusively belonging, to the ranks of those who opposed - his early release. I wonder if such a tendency exists, and what shape - it would manifest itself - within the camp of those who disapprove of Mr Al-Megrahi release ? His case when juxtaposed with Biggs appears more urgent - not only on compassionate grounds - but also and perhaps more importantly - on the basis that a miscarriage of justice took place.

[History]

that's vindictiveness.

No Hugh, it is Guilt by Association and in the eyes of the law he is just as guilty as any of the other perpetrators. Why shouldn't he serve the sentence served out by the justice system. If that means dying in jail then so be it. The beds in there will probably be the same as the ones in hospital and more needed fo decent hard working honest members of society.

[ionnsaigh]

Interesting to note that the poll represents a fifty/fifty equal split. The poll itself clearly favoured the no camp, with one clear choice - while the yes camp vote was split between two - Fair, I wonder !

[blueboyno1]

There are murderes who get ten years out in eight . Biggs got twenty eight years for robbery ,later changed to armed robberry by the POLICE who said that the driver was hit with an iron bar .There were fifteen members of the gang and not one of them ever admitted to seeing an iron bar never mind seeing the driver struck with one even though they could have got less jail time.Many of them still maintain that the assault was a fit up. Robbery or armed robbery did not merit the heavy sentences. WHY Biggs has already served ten years that should be enough ,but as i have said before and will always believe the reason he was not going to be released was because he made a fool of the sytem and the system was demanding payback.

ONLY MY OPINION.

[ionnsaigh]

Another point - I feel this thread should be transferred to Speakers Corner - not in anyway meant to be demeaning - to it's near partners - Jamie G Disco, and the Cost of Postage Stamps.

[hugh]

that's vindictiveness.

No Hugh, it is Guilt by Association and in the eyes of the law he is just as guilty as any of the other perpetrators. Why shouldn't he serve the sentence served out by the justice system. If that means dying in jail then so be it.

History.

He was serving a sentence for conspiracy to rob. To deny him leniency on the grounds of a crime he's never even been charged with would surely be vindictive?

[History]

There were fifteen members of the gang and not one of them ever admitted to seeing an iron bar never mind seeing the driver

......and of course they wouldn't lie, They probably denied seeing the train as well!

[hugh]

....and if I'm wrong on legal niceties then I stand corrected and apologise. I do sympathise with victims, I just think in this case the victim's injuries have been exaggerated and taken totally out of proportion.

[bill]

Another point - I feel this thread should be transferred to Speakers Corner

Well you would think that Ionns as every thread I think you have started ,irrespective of the topic, has always been posted on Speakers Corner.

[daftdog]

If a miscarriage of justice is in fact taking place, it is up to the lawyers to sort out the evidence and present it at appeal. You can't release a prisoner who is serving a term for murder on compassionate grounds. The evidence as presented, as it stands, was enough to convict him. If new evidence or old evidence that was presented at the time looks unsafe, then go through the system and make a decision. Looking for release on health grounds to me looks rather desperate. Comparing these two cases is just silly. He should only be freed if he is found to be not guilty of the crime he was convicted for, as his conviction was for murder of over 200 human beings.

[blueboyno1]

There were fifteen members of the gang and not one of them ever admitted to seeing an iron bar never mind seeing the driver

......and of course they wouldn't lie, They probably denied seeing the train as well!

It would be unusual not to get at least one informant out of fifteen ,after all the reason they were caught so quickly was becase of information received.

[numberplease]

If Biggs had not required medical treatment he would still have been in Brazil, where he lived the life of Riley all those years, cocking a snook at British justice, so why should he be deserving of compassion now? He should be rotting in jail.
All that stopped him being deported from Brazil and being marched straight back to prison was the fact that he`d fathered a Brazilian child. Who knows whether Raimunda was well paid to say that Biggs was the father of her son?

[History]

One of the subjects of our debate



A victimless crime?

Train driver Jack Mills, 57, was coshed with iron bars during the robbery. He never returned to work and never made a full recovery. He died in 1970.

[Mod8]

Appreciate these two threads should have been merged earlier, but all us Mods are on holiday together!

[blueboyno1]

One of the subjects of our debate



A victimless crime?

Train driver Jack Mills, 57, was coshed with iron bars during the robbery. He never returned to work and never made a full recovery. He died in 1970.

You forgot to add not from his injuries. I would have expected someone who was coshed by iron bars as you said to have had a fractured skull