The Kintyre Forum

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10735857

Do people feel Venables identity should be released?

mixed feelings on this, if I knew what his ident was, what would I do about it? what would the rest of society do????

Not sure about his identity being released.I think that a two year sentence is a farce. Clearly,the"rehabilitation"process has failed in this instance.

In many ways he is a product of the system, that put him there in the first place.

ionnsaigh wrote:In many ways he is a product of the system, that put him there in the first place.

gizmo wrote:

ionnsaigh wrote:In many ways he is a product of the system, that put him there in the first place.

I just thought the same Gizmo. What a horrible thing to think never mind say!

Ship called Dignity wrote:

gizmo wrote:

ionnsaigh wrote:In many ways he is a product of the system, that put him there in the first place.

I just thought the same Gizmo. What a horrible thing to think never mind say!

It would be Davie if it came from anyone else.Let's get real,do you really take seriously anything Ionns says ?

bill wrote:It would be Davie if it came from anyone else.Let's get real,do you really take seriously anything Ionns says ?

So when does a thread become a personal attack ?

Ship called Dignity wrote:I just thought the same Gizmo. What a horrible thing to think never mind say!

Get real, most young people who have the misfortune to come into contact with social services, come out the other end psychologically scarred by the system. Do you think a low life like Venables came out unscathed ?
You only have to look at both the re offending figures of criminals, and the severity of the crimes committed to draw a conclusion, that incarceration doesn't necessarily rehabilitate, on the contrary it provides a criminal education.

Here you go again Ionns.So we will do away with prisons and send all the low lifes to college to be educated.

Most criminals re offend because that is what they are criminals and will never be any different.

blueboyno1 wrote:Here you go again Ionns.So we will do away with prisons and send all the low lifes to college to be educated.

Most criminals re offend because that is what they are criminals and will never be any different.

I can only assume that, if there happens to be a primary focus on punishment, as opposed to rehabilitation, then this will undoubtedly manifest itself in higher re-offending rates. It is not in societies best interest when rehab fails, because it has to take second place, in order to satisfy the pound of flesh brigade, who scream for blood and revenge.

I have always wondered if these very young offenders would have been different people if a different parenting style was used in the home. What kind of young mind thinks of murder?torture?etc.
If they are this way from birth, what do we do with them? how do we test them?
I know what I would do with them.

At least he is back where he belongs,and no doubt it won't be long till his identity is sussed and he receives the punishment he deserves from another inmate with a razor.

I think it is about time that you got real Ionns. It was not the system as you call it that made this person do what he done in the first place .He commited this terrible crime before he was ever in the system.

bassett wrote:At least he is back where he belongs,and no doubt it won't be long till his identity is sussed and he receives the punishment he deserves from another inmate with a razor.

Did he deserve the razor, when he committed the offence of murder as a 10yr old ? or perhaps the razor, is for looking at Children being abused by Adults, through pornography. Whichever in both cases your punishment is worse, than the crimes committed - either by a ten year old innocent child - or a twenty something completely institutionalised man, who celebrated going back inside. No I'm not forgetting the terrible act that he was accomplice too, and the terrible suffering of the Bulger family. Why make things worse than they already are ? Why this lust for vengeance ? You don't have to tell me that this was a terrible act - honestly I know and can fully appreciate through empathy, the sadness and loss of the situation. I wish I can make the whole thing better - I can't other than attempt - to try to avert - another such human catastrophe.

Ionns, the last two words in your last post sum up the entire saga, including the tragic and terrible death of poor James Bulger, HUMAN CATASTROPHE.