The Kintyre Forum

Immigration is a hot topic in the US at the moment. I live in a city that was part of Mexico less than 200 years ago, was built on the Hispanic culture and influences, and has a 68% Hispanic population. I love it here. I also grew up in Buffalo with a huge population of immigrants, many who only spoke their native languages of Polish, Italian, or whatever. I thrived there.

So I have questions about what you all think about immigrants moving in to your area. Do you feel like your land and your heritage is being sold off? I just recently found out that there are a number of people in campbeltown from areas in eastern Europe. That surprised me. Where do they work and what about housing and how difficult is it with the language barrier? I would think with prices:wages the way they are, that it would be difficult enough for the average Campbeltonian to buy housing there, so how do the immigrants live? I do see that there are 50 vacancies for jobs at the call center in campbeltown, so obviously not all the jobs are taken. Are Americans considered white settlers?

not to be dismissive but i honestly dont care about this

the only thing that bothers me is when people come to your country and act as if you shouldnt be there

A Horse called Juan Face wrote:not to be dismissive but i honestly dont care about this

the only thing that bothers me is when people come to your country and act as if you shouldnt be there

And do they do that? Don't you think it is ironic that someone who starts a thread called "Politics" would be the first to blow a person off on a serious political question?

Edited part of this, it sounded worse than intended... apologies to horse paws.

i didnt mean i didnt care about the subject

i meant i dont care about eastern europeans coming here, thats what i meant by not to be dismissive

id prefer a world without borders anyway

You blew it Horse Face, get yersel' back tae Argentina if your constantly dreamin' o' the place, that's the place for you

But you do have a point, I reckon all the East Europeans are very welcome in Kintyre as are settlers from any country, white or not.......and I mean that in the traditional SCottish "white settler" meaning, not referring to skin colour of course.

My own family were moved here as part of the plantation of Lowland Scots way back...........we soon kicked them Gaels up to the hills

Thanks for clarifying horselips. Sorry I misunderstood.

Wouldn't a world without borders be great. I know I am one of probably few who wouldn't mind an open southern border in the US, where people could come and go, as long as they didn't expect to get something for nothing, as long as they didn't get the same benefits free that I have to work for.

Do immigrants have to go through some sort of process and do they get the same public benefits as Scottish people?

Is this topic too controversial?

OCH!!! shooooooot, I wrote a lot more than that but it did not appear in the post..... must have pressed some wrong button before submitting...............ach, I cant write it all again........

Summary. Settlers more than welcome but dont try and change everything as soon as you get here........ c'mon, we need you, every one.......get the population up again.

Howzat?

4th gen Suthen' wrote:OCH!!! shooooooot, I wrote a lot more than that but it did not appear in the post..... must have pressed some wrong button before submitting...............ach, I cant write it all again........

Summary. Settlers more than welcome but dont try and change everything as soon as you get here........ c'mon, we need you, every one.......get the population up again.

Howzat?

Darn, 4th! I would have been interested to hear the rest! Maybe when you catch your breath

EU Bobbie, we're all in the EU..... Europeans one and all...........all the same from Turkey, well, not quite Turkey yet, to the West of Ireland.............no smilies to be added there.

Take it you dont approve of the Minute Men have I got that name right? the modern day militia border patrol.....or ehhhhh Sean Hannity

How did you know I have just been out running

4th gen Suthen' wrote:EU Bobbie, we're all in the EU..... Europeans one and all...........all the same from Turkey, well, not quite Turkey yet, to the West of Ireland.............no smilies to be added there.

Take it you dont approve of the Minute Men have I got that name right? the modern day militia border patrol.....or ehhhhh Sean Hannity

Well, the one good thing about the Minute Men is that they are out there in the wilderness, so can't do too much harm to the rest of us. People are desperate for better lives for themselves and their families, enough so that they'll take the chance of drowning or dying imprisoned in a semi in 110-degree heat. I would bet there aren't many commercial farms in california who don't have illegals working or large ranches in Texas. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. So why not just let them work.

As for Sean Hannity... he's with Fox and has Rush Limbaugh as a couple of his favorite links . Enough said.

I forgot that Europeans are free to come and go as they please. Didn't know that also meant they could come and settle where ever they chose. Seems that the biggest concern of the nations of europe in all this is that they could easily lose their identity and culture and be a hodgepodge, except for the pockets of people who try valiantly to maintain it.

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:Thanks for clarifying horselips. Sorry I misunderstood.

Wouldn't a world without borders be great. I know I am one of probably few who wouldn't mind an open southern border in the US, where people could come and go, as long as they didn't expect to get something for nothing, as long as they didn't get the same benefits free that I have to work for.

Bobbie, I am in sympathy with the latin immigrants as I work with them on a daily basis through the courts. But... they cannot work in the US illegally and be expected to survive without the 'free' education, medical, and other assorted handouts from the government that you and I pay for as long as they are illegally here. As long as they are illegal they pay no taxes, therefore are dependent upon you and me for support. I'm just asking you...what is your solution? You are saying 'just let them come work' because of the hardships they endure trying to access a better paying job? That is what we have been doing for decades. They bring their families that need care. You and I are the ones that have been and will foot the bill.

I am truely interested in your response. It is a question that is confounding the whole country...but not a new one.

I hear Sean and Alan slug this one out on a regular basis!

Classic Rep and Dem argument, certainly no middle ground as far as I can see.........but, of course, I know naethin'

C,mom Horse, your the Juan the man tell us hoot yi hink

bobbie i didnt word it particularly well, so it wasnt ur fault

i think it is a very difficult subject that would be irrelevant if we didnt have so many seperate governments

the eu i think is a good idea, that any member can move to any country

there are also points to be made about asylum seekers etc, so it isnt an easy one

but my politics are quite left so im probably too radical or something for people

dgraves wrote:

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:Thanks for clarifying horselips. Sorry I misunderstood.

Wouldn't a world without borders be great. I know I am one of probably few who wouldn't mind an open southern border in the US, where people could come and go, as long as they didn't expect to get something for nothing, as long as they didn't get the same benefits free that I have to work for.

Bobbie, I am in sympathy with the latin immigrants as I work with them on a daily basis through the courts. But... they cannot work in the US illegally and be expected to survive without the 'free' education, medical, and other assorted handouts from the government that you and I pay for as long as they are illegally here. As long as they are illegal they pay no taxes, therefore are dependent upon you and me for support. I'm just asking you...what is your solution? You are saying 'just let them come work' because of the hardships they endure trying to access a better paying job? That is what we have been doing for decades. They bring their families that need care. You and I are the ones that have been and will foot the bill.

I am truely interested in your response. It is a question that is confounding the whole country...but not a new one.

More what I am saying is, let them come and do their jobs without having to take the great risk of dying for the opportunity. If we just let them come and work and do their jobs, they can pay taxes with their paychecks the same as you and I do. I don't get free health care.. as a matter of fact, I don't have health insurance. I can't get health care because I am not poor enough to get on the government care and I am not rich enough to afford to pay for it myself. I am self employed, so don't have the benefit of having a company pay a good portion for me. Is my health any less important than anyone else's?

My point is, if they are allowed to work, they pay taxes, they get the same benefits I do, and the same hardships I do. Maybe the farmers and ranchers who have been benefiting from the sweat of their backs for years should contribute to their health care and pay higher taxes for their education.

As it is now, it is all a charade. They are welcomed and wanted to do the jobs they do, as long as everyone plays the game right, but in doing that, they drown or die trying to cross the arizona desert or in the back of semi trucks or rail cars. Just let them work....