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the phone girl wrote: I just dont get the mind set of someone who would do this or deface anything for example the changing rooms and not feel black ashamed.

Black ashamed- perhaps this is a local saying, however it appears discriminatory and Racist- chances are that the person who did this was White- so why should they feel Black ashamed ?. What colour would you describe Christ?- certainly not White, with blue eyes and blond hair. What does Black Ashamed actually mean- if it's not racist - then what is it.

i've not heard the phrase before either but why do people automatically jump to assumptions?

so black magic is a racist phrase, too? blackboard? whiteboard? this p/c crap really p*sses me off.

ionnsaigh wrote:

the phone girl wrote: I just dont get the mind set of someone who would do this or deface anything for example the changing rooms and not feel black ashamed.

Black ashamed- perhaps this is a local saying, however it appears discriminatory and Racist- chances are that the person who did this was White- so why should they feel Black ashamed ?. What colour would you describe Christ?- certainly not White, with blue eyes and blond hair. What does Black Ashamed actually mean- if it's not racist - then what is it.

Valid point Ionnsaigh and thanks for keeping the board politically correct.

However, this topic, like many others over the course of last week have veered off the original thread topic.

If you (the forum posters) wish this topic can be split so this can be discussed further in general chit chat or the likes.

The expression is not "Black Ashamed" as was quoted, but "Black Affronted" It's donkey's years old and dear knows where it came from. I do think however that it has absolutely no connection to racism as there was no racism when I was growing up, and I heard this expression many many times then.
It appears that you only need to mention the word black and someone starts gibbereing about racial discrimination. Before too many years this country is going to be so tangled up in red tape with all this stuff that nothing will function.
The painting has been badly defaced or whatever the PC brigade choose to call it. It was done by someone who when brought to justice will no doubt claim that he didn't have a Playstation as a kid and have Social Workers catering to his every whim before going off on a foreign holiday paid for by tax payer.
Me, I'm pure white affrontit!!

as a social work student i take offence at what you are implying. I grew up in Campbeltown and have visited the paining many times both with school and with my family, i was dissmayed when i seen the pics of what had been taken place and i can assure you that myself and members of my course would like to see the culprit brought to justice and would not send them on a hoiliday. it is attitudes like this that make a difficult job more difficult

chattichatton wrote:As a social work student, I take offence at what you are implying. I grew up in Campbeltown, and have visited the painting many times both with school and with my family. I was dissmayed when I saw the pics of what had been taken place. I can assure you that myself and my fellow course members would like to see the culprit brought to justice and would not send them on a holiday. It is attitudes like this that make a difficult job even more difficult

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You may find studying English language far more beneficial? To whom, or at what is your post individually directed?

Read the post above. Thanks for the tip but think i will stick to what i am good at

Right folks totally off the thread.

This is now in speakers corner where it deserves to be. Can I remind members posting messages to perhaps re-read the Acceptable Use Policy - it is there for a reason.

Pete Reek wrote:The expression is not "Black Ashamed" as was quoted, but "Black Affronted" It's donkey's years old and dear knows where it came from.
The painting has been badly defaced or whatever the PC brigade choose to call it. It was done by someone who when brought to justice will no doubt claim that he didn't have a Playstation as a kid and have Social Workers catering to his every whim before going off on a foreign holiday paid for by tax payer.

Have to agree with Pete Reek - it's 'black affronted' and has been in use since Methuselah was a boy. Do a google - it's a phrase that is used throughout Scotland, in fact I remember it being used in The Broons with 'black affronted' written above Ma's heid when she was embarrassed. Racist - I don't think so. It's the PC brigade wanting to turn us into a nanny state yet again - which conveniently leads on to the following.

A while back I read an article about a bloke who had been brutally beaten up and hospitalised by a mugger. The local paper ran a piece in which the guy was quoted as calling his attacker a 'thug'. The poor bloke then got a visit, while still in hospital, from a social worker demanding a public apology as his 'client' was 'upset' at what had been said about him - unbelieveable!

On a lighter note - and 'back to black' with no pun intended. I remember as a young fla' if you came home dirty my mum would say '...you're as black as the Earl o' Hell's waistcoat!' I still think that's a great expression and in no way is it or was it ever meant to be racist.

Willie D wrote:

Pete Reek wrote:The expression is not "Black Ashamed" as was quoted, but "Black Affronted" It's donkey's years old and dear knows where it came from.
The painting has been badly defaced or whatever the PC brigade choose to call it. It was done by someone who when brought to justice will no doubt claim that he didn't have a Playstation as a kid and have Social Workers catering to his every whim before going off on a foreign holiday paid for by tax payer.

On a lighter note - and 'back to black' with no pun intended. I remember as a young fla' if you came home dirty my mum would say '...you're as black as the Earl o' Hell's waistcoat!' I still think that's a great expression and in no way is it or was it ever meant to be racist.

One of the best I heard in recent times quoted by a local guy was "as black as a doags throat"?

petewick

Just for the record no racist sentiment was ever intended. If you look up affronted it just means ashamed. It has also been used in old Scottish literature - John Buchan I think but don't quote me. I think it was to do with people getting so embarrassed or ashamed that their faces went deep dark reddy purple. I may be wrong but had I known someone would pick over the words and not read the content then I would of course not have put that phrase (which I heard a lot when I was younger) but would have poshed it up and said deeply and utterly ashamed. I honestly promise you I have been to a 2 day diversity course and hopefully am up on my cultural and enthnic diversity issues and have not wasted the Government's money sending me. I suppose if you are looking for hidden meanings you will find them in any statement if you look hard enough. From now on I will confine myself to my best West End and since I do come from the West End I feel really qualified to put that wouldn't like anyone to think I was being funny about the West End. Maybe I will just agree with everything and then I wont get into touble!!

Phone, I think most of us took the term for how it was meant.. so ashamed that you want to crawl in a hole in the dark.. not be seen in the light.

Since this all started I did some googling, and I found a reference to it written in the 1890's in Campbeltown.. http://www.kintyremag.co.uk/2001/45/page6.html

As an aside.. interesting that the writer more than once called it Campbellton.

Thanks Bobbie - am still amazed my two words sparked all the trouble anyway from now on will read and re-read anything. I read that article you highlighted. I love all the old stuff its so interesting to see how they all lived. And to try and read it in the old dialect with the old spellings is interesting.

Phone girl, Don't apologise for using the language or phrases that are accepted locally.

Too many politially correct numpties would have us change our ways and then we really should feel black affronted for allowing it

jeanette