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I recently recieved the following e-mail from a friend and was instantly angered by all the fuss this issue has caused. Surely it is better for everyone that we cut down on pollution and use cars etc when only absolutely neccessary. Furthermore, the city(and Wee Toon) slickers in their 4 wheel driven monsters should be more responsible in how they treat the air we all breath. Comments please!!!!
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>>This affects us all!!
>>Any of you that enjoy driving or have to do a lot of it will be affected
>>by what the Government are proposing. Log onto the link below sign and
>>pass it on. it only takes a minute to fill in.
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>>The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having
>>to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to
>>use it.
>>The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the
>>BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a
>>delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to
>>school paid £86
>>in one month.On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked.
>>Somebody
>>will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you
>>have
>>been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can
>>expect a NIP with your monthly bill.
>>If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the
>>car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website
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>>http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
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>>http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/
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>>Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.

I'm not sure about the pro's and con's of the proposal - if such a scheme were capable of being used intelligently there would be a lot of advantages to the present system - it could increase the road tax of frequent short journey users in urban areas where public transport is easily available and in areas where no alternative is available charge at a cheap rate.
It's all down to how flexible the technology is and how sensitively it is applied. There is no getting away from it; taxation will be a key factor in tackling global warming however it should only be used to shift the taxation burden not to raise taxes - we are already over taxed.

As for them knowing where the car is at all times - I don't have a problem with that, they can pinpoint you with your mobile or catch you on security cameras all the time. Might even reduce theft joyriding, and insurance costs.

another potential benefit is that the system might even be able to issue on the spot fines for speeding without the need for cameras being able to calculate average speeds as it goes

Friend of Dorothy wrote:Furthermore, the city(and Wee Toon) slickers in their 4 wheel driven monsters should be more responsible in how they treat the air we all breath. Comments please!!!!

You shouldn't judge a book by its cover, eh?

My '4WD Monster' is a lot cleaner than many of your small family cars because it burns propane, not petrol, as a fuel. I still have to pay £190/yr to road tax it though.

Petrol Head wrote:

Friend of Dorothy wrote:Furthermore, the city(and Wee Toon) slickers in their 4 wheel driven monsters should be more responsible in how they treat the air we all breath. Comments please!!!!

You shouldn't judge a book by its cover, eh?

My '4WD Monster' is a lot cleaner than many of your small family cars because it burns propane, not petrol, as a fuel. I still have to pay £190/yr to road tax it though.

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If the cap fits..........be it petrol or propane!!!!!!!!![/quote]

Social Security numbers in the US were a big issue in the 1930s.. The people were very worried about government control and people being numbered. They were assured that the number would be secret, with only the individual and the Social Security office knowing it, no other government entities, etc. People fell for it, time went on, now you can't get a bank account without it, you can't buy a house, you can't get credit. Children can't start school without one and babies are getting them before they even leave the hospital.

So much for that. ______(fill in the blank) will only ever be for your benefit..... until everyone is so used to it that they think nothing of it when it starts being used against people... only for your benefit, of course.

What next? A mark on your hand or forehead to replace credit cards, so you are identified immediately, given to you only for your benefit, of course, so your cards won't be lost or stolen? Of course, then it will get to the point that no man will be able to buy or sell without it.. hmmm... where have I heard that before.

I won't even buy a laptop with GPS installed (installed for my benefit, of course).

Everything is for "your benefit" until it turns around and bites you in the butt.

Welcome, Friend of Dorothy!

I watch them come I watch them go
Number here number there
Seeking sanctuary sweet seclusion
Flirting freedom foremost illusion
Every move you make that step to take
Big brother bully spies begin bite back
A wrong number here face not fit
Computer glitch worry watcher
The bar the number your face your cell

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:So much for that. ______(fill in the blank) will only ever be for your benefit..... until everyone is so used to it that they think nothing of it when it starts being used against people... only for your benefit, of course.

What next? A mark on your hand or forehead to replace credit cards, so you are identified immediately, given to you only for your benefit, of course, so your cards won't be lost or stolen? Of course, then it will get to the point that no man will be able to buy or sell without it.. hmmm... where have I heard that before.

I won't even buy a laptop with GPS installed (installed for my benefit, of course).

Everything is for "your benefit" until it turns around and bites you in the butt.

Welcome, Friend of Dorothy!

Bobbie, was there not a fuss a couple o' years ago re: printers.
I am sure it was HP that stood accused (though it could have been all of them) of every page they printed had the serial no. of the printer on them in tiny wee letters within a letter. To combat terrorism, threatening letters etc. (though I know where all my threatening letters come from cause they have the banks name on them )

In answer to the OP, we already have a travel tax ----- called exhorbitant fuel duty which only .0000000000000000000000000000001 of a % (slight exageration) goes into the roads upkeep.


It really gets yer goat up when all the goverments are of the same hue - out to line their own pockets as quickly as possible.


All politicians = thieving robbin b*stards, doing what they think might get re elected.

Was income tax in general not introduced as a temporory measure to fund a war?

If so that war is long over + I want my 20 years of dough returned with interest!

Hadrians hiring! wrote:Bobbie, was there not a fuss a couple o' years ago re: printers.
I am sure it was HP that stood accused (though it could have been all of them) of every page they printed had the serial no. of the printer on them in tiny wee letters within a letter. To combat terrorism, threatening letters etc. (though I know where all my threatening letters come from cause they have the banks name on them )

I remember a story about this too. It was a time when there had been a number of documents leaked to the press that caused government embarrassment, and was spun as being a way to identify the source of the documents.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the problem with social security numbers, are they the same as national insurance numbers.. What is the hidden agenda if any?

Social security is the government pension. You contribute so much during your working life, you supposedly get so much back when you retire.

If the national insurance numbers are used to identify you and everything you do, the majority of which has nothing to do with insurance, from birth until death, then they are the same thing. It is a matter of government intrusion and right to privacy.

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:If the national insurance numbers are used to identify you and everything you do, the majority of which has nothing to do with insurance, from birth until death, then they are the same thing. It is a matter of government intrusion and right to privacy.

Yes, that's basically the same as NI numbers, although they don't get issued till you reach a certain age (16?).

Beachcomber wrote:

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:If the national insurance numbers are used to identify you and everything you do, the majority of which has nothing to do with insurance, from birth until death, then they are the same thing. It is a matter of government intrusion and right to privacy.

Yes, that's basically the same as NI numbers, although they don't get issued till you reach a certain age (16?).

The Social Security number is used for much more than the NI number. For almost anything you want to do or sign up for, this number is required. It is an identity number more so.

Even non-citizens must apply for a Social Security card to work in the US. On their card it reads "for work purposes only".

Getting back to the Original Point, (Social Security cards are hardly the same as having tracking technology in cars) I dive a car most days, its not my car, haven't owned a car in nearly 10 years, who is to say if the driver of a car is the registered owner? How much time do we spend in our cars? - What use is being able to track a parked car?

Mobile phones are a far more potent threat to civil liberties than car tracking and I don't hear anyone petitioning for their banning. Check this out -


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/ ... 27,00.html