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Shame and scorn, shame and scorn.

On Israel or Hamas?

mmmmmmmm,both probably.

Tzpi Livni's and the rest of the hawks. My thoughts lie with the Palestinian people. Israel are the aggressors.

come off it i support the underdogs,but quit fireing rockets you retards.Grt to the table and talk,most normal humans can see the point off abbas and his people.they have got nowhere with violence,its time to take a new look at ways to defeat israel.Decent pr would be a start,israel dosent have a leg to stand on legally or morally.God my english is crap should have paid attention at school,maybe frook wasent such a muppet after all.

ionnsaigh wrote:Tzpi Livni's and the rest of the hawks. My thoughts lie with the Palestinian people. Israel are the aggressors.

Yes, it all started when Israel retaliated.

What were the Israelis supposed to do, just sit there and accept the dozens of indiscriminate rocket attacks from Hamas despite the fact that they had agreed to a ceasefire with Israel. The Israelis had given into demands to return occupied land to Palestinian hands but the attacks kept coming. No doubt the 'brave' Hamas fighters will use the strikes by Israel as an excuse to send some more vulnerable 'easily influenced' children over the border to carry out suicide attacks on Israeli civilians.

Yes, it all started when Israel retaliated.

Damn! I wish I thought of that. Ach I probably will tomorrow.

ionnsaigh wrote:Tzpi Livni's and the rest of the hawks. My thoughts lie with the Palestinian people. Israel are the aggressors.

So Israel was supposed to sit and get pummelled and do nothing about it .Get real everybody can only stand so much .

Maybe they should send John Smeaton in to sort it

Hamas has no purpose to its existence other than the destruction of Israel. As such, Israel has every right to defend itself or to retaliate. The question's whether the deliberate targeting of hospitals, schools and mosques, and the ongoing senseless slaughter of innocent civilians constitutes defence or retaliation.
The answer's no.

I do think that Israel`s decision to destroy Hamas is now cast in stone.Ionnsaighs description of the Israeli leaders as hawks is spot on.They are in for the kill.Civilian casualties are un-avoidable in a war.Hamas hides it`s members in public places,so innocent people will also be victims.Very sad situation,wait and see if Iran gets involved.

So it goes. That's the problem. No matter how sophisticated weaponry becomes, it'll never be able to rationalise its own actions. Human beings have to do that. And since the executioner's face is always well hidden the rationale will usually be callous and self-serving. And innocent people will be slaughtered. But how do you make peace with an enemy intent on your destruction? That's the problem. I don't know the solution. So it goes and so it goes. But where it's going no-one knows.

I normally wouldn't pass comment on a topic like this as it serves no purpose.

However ...

a) Like Northern Ireland, like Cyprus, like a load of other "land grabbed" territories in the world, the State of Israel was allowed to come into being in 1948, someone somewhere must have realised, that based on history, this was forever and a day going to be a bit of a problem. However, there must now be 3rd or 4th generation Israelies, who were born there ... it is their home.

b) The Palestinians are now packed like sardines into the West Bank & The Gaza strip. The latter being one of the most densely populated regions on earth. This kinda rules out any notion of "precision" bombing. Israel & Hamas both know this.

c) The truce between Hames & Israel was ALLOWED to lapse. This again suits both parties. Hamas can expend a few fireworks & promote a bit of martyrdom in the hope of a united arab uprising ... and Israel has elections in February. A bit of hawkish aggression will surely swing a few votes towards the sitting party.

d) As, according to history (especially recent history), one of the most oppressed people on the planet ... perhaps the Israelies (and the wider Jewish community) have now forgotten, and morphed into heavily armed aggressors, persecuting a poorly armed "foe". History has taught them nothing.

e) Well , not quite. It has taught them not to rely on anyone else to defend them. I can understand that. However, don't forget - influential Washington friends aside - Israel can also be classed as a major terrorist state. It possesses nuclear weapons, illegally !!!

f) In a perverse way ... without Adolf Hitler & the Nazis ... there would be no Israel at all.

g) This problem is never going to go away. I doubt if there's anyone of influence in the region reading the Kintyre forum, and even if there were .... I doubt the best argument of all time would dissuade either side from continuing to exploit the ongoing situation for their own ends.

That's my tuppence worth.

Happy New Year when (if) it comes .....

£3.73 wrote:I normally wouldn't pass comment on a topic like this as it serves no purpose.

My sentiments exactly mainly due to your aforesaid reasons and the fact there are major wrongdoings on both sides, despite the Arabs successfully persuading the western world that Israel are the evil transgressors . . . saying that, your post was great.

I love these topics !

If the Jews never stole the Palestinian land in the 1st place, maybe the place would not be in the state it is now.....

Opinions !

maxmix

They never stole anything ,Britain gave them it in 1939 for helping them to fight the Palestinians .Israeli's have been chased out of every country they have ever tried to settle in .They have been persecuted since biblical times . Israel have been happy to live in peace alongside them but Palestine wont have any of it they have committed atrocity after atrocity against them ,one of them the mass murder of the Israeli olymic athletes in 1972 .Israel is bombing military targets and it is regretful that there will be civilian casualties .Hamas are just firing rockets indescriminately into any part of Israel their rockets will reach .They cannot expect to get away with this for years without Israel retaliating. As usual they expect world powers and the U.N. to intervene and they will be seen as the innocents .