The Kintyre Forum

History wrote:

Kevin Mc wrote:"Well kent" - I've not heard that before - I take it that means fine, upstanding individuals

Well known or infamous. Take your pick

One things for sure, the majority of the well kent faces, are poor and working class. Poverty causes crime, remove the conditions that give rise to crime, and you could build your police station in Glasgow.

how do we remove these causes?Im poor and working class,with a record.

ionnsaigh wrote:One things for sure, the majority of the well kent faces, are poor and working class.

I'm poor and working class as are all my family but none of us have ever been in court.

Sitting back and waiting for help or handouts is not obligatory but the choice of the individual.

Choices are free to everyone, depends whether you use them or not. Sometimes shoulder chips clouds our judgement but the choice is still always there.

sorry buddy ionns is right on this one,notice the crime rate going up now!yep its the credit crunch,labour wasted our money over the last ten years or so,any idiot can see they did fek all for anyone other than their chums in the city.The shit is hitting the fan big time.whoops another £100 billion bail out no probs boys,the mugs on the street will pay.

four eyes wrote:sorry buddy ionns is right on this one,notice the crime rate going up now!yep its the credit crunch,labour wasted our money over the last ten years or so,any idiot can see they did fek all for anyone other than their chums in the city.The shit is hitting the fan big time.whoops another £100 billion bail out no probs boys,the mugs on the street will pay.

Always someone else's fault sure it is? What was the excuse for crime when there was no credit crunch.

Shocking amount of dosh to dole out but what's the answer? If the banks go under so do we all. Our society would be devastated no matter what you see youself as High society or Working class.

Only positive in that would be the benefit system may even cease to exist. Then everybody would be poor even the scroungers. No Giro to pay fines

Anyway back to the topic. Do you think the new police station is too big?

ionnsaigh wrote: Poverty causes crime, :

You've talked a lot of sh!t on this forum Ionns,but that beats all.


My parents were poor,as were my friends parents.Poor working class and as honest and respectable as the day is long.

I do not know you personally Ionns, but I would assume your parents were poor working class.Were they criminals ? ?

Well, no-one can deny that poverty is a CONTRIBUTING FACTOR in crime but I don’t believe it actually causes it. Poverty must contribute to despair and anger and bitterness and hatred of those who have more than they need yet we all know people who have experienced the worst kind of poverty and who choose not to carry out criminal acts. It’s a case of personal accountability. There must be cases where desperation causes crime but surely it’s downright unfair and patronising to millions of poor people who are not criminals to say that poverty causes crime?
I won’t deny that in abject poverty, I wouldn’t steal to feed my children. Steal? I’d commit the worst criminal act to feed them. But which desperate parent wouldn't?
So, imho, desperation causes crime, lack of moral integrity causes crime, greed causes crime(the latter two covering every economic strata) but not poverty itself.

ionnsaigh wrote:


One things for sure, the majority of the well kent faces, are poor and working class. Poverty causes crime, remove the conditions that give rise to crime, and you could build your police station in Glasgow.

As far as I can see, the majority of well kent faces are from the no intention of working class.

In this featherbedded society we have nowadays there is no such thing as real poverty, ie, lack of food or medicine as the welfare state is there, doling out huge chunks of taxpayers money, and anyone who finds themselves in such a situation then I'm afraid it's their own choice because they've wasted their money on the usual non-essentials of drugs, alchohol, gambling, cigarettes etc.Like the aforementioned non-essentials, crime is also a choice. But of course they're never to blame, it's always someone else's or societys fault.

giantredwood, So the majority of well kent faces, are from middle class backgrounds? no I don't think so. The vast majority are working class, wither they want to work or not, isn't the point. So according to your post - the poverty of the poor -is self inflicted - they are workshy - and only have themselves to blame - for their dire circumstances. So all those born into poor families - the children - have themselves to blame?
You opinion lacks any human compassion, for those poor unfortunates. One wonders if you where cruel to animals?
The usual non essential items you list - is both misleading and inaccurate.
Essentially drugs alcohol cigarettes,and gambling - in certain circumstances - can be seen in the same light -that of addiction. The later being far removed, from your shallow understanding of needs - as being non essential. Why do junkies steal? the rich junkie does not have too - the poor one does.

Girl,
You say that poverty must contribute to feelings of despair and anger, with bitterness and hatred, of those who have more than they need. I feel that that is downright unfair and patronising to the millions of poor people, who don't have these feelings, to say that poverty causes bitterness and hatred. How can I feel bitterness or hatred towards a baby born into vast wealth?
The quest for social justice is directed solely at an economic system - that creates inequality and suffering - it has never been an attack on the rich.
Awash with moral indignation.

So, imho, poverty causes desperation, it's not a question of a lack of moral integrity - rather readjustment of that integrity,( you would steal to feed your children ).

In the current situation whereby a bunch of gambling banker`s have lost loads and loads of our money,the phrase should be"Crime causes Poverty."

amazing how the country has transformed in a couple of decades,an almost pathalogical despise of so called scroungers and the workless.Have any of you retards checked the social security rates? 45 pound for a single person,no wonder they have to duck and dive.never in all my life have i read such a lot of pish from people who have no idea.the poor sods on the social deserve our help and sympathy not your hatred,shame on all of you,i hope you never know the utter despair of being out of work unable to provide for the kids and being loathed by the vast majority.you make me ashamed of my own country.
a leaf does not turn brown without the silent knowledge of the whole tree.
im glad i have true friends and family i can rely on and not you awfull excuses for human beings.

four eyes wrote:amazing how the country has transformed in a couple of decades,an almost pathalogical despise of so called scroungers and the workless.Have any of you retards checked the social security rates? 45 pound for a single person,no wonder they have to duck and dive.never in all my life have i read such a lot of pish from people who have no idea.the poor sods on the social deserve our help and sympathy not your hatred,shame on all of you,i hope you never know the utter despair of being out of work unable to provide for the kids and being loathed by the vast majority.you make me ashamed of my own country.
a leaf does not turn brown without the silent knowledge of the whole tree.
im glad i have true friends and family i can rely on and not you awfull excuses for human beings.

Despite claiming to have four eyes, you still cannot see what I was writing about. Let me spell it out for you. I have no qualms about helping those who are out of work through no fault of their own. What really angers me are those who have absolutely no intention of working and are more than happy to leech off the backs of the already overburdened working taxpayer.

Quote."What really angers me are those who have absolutely no intention of working and are more than happy to leech off the backs of the already overburdened working taxpayer."Describes the U.K.banking system precisely.

giantredwood wrote:

four eyes wrote:amazing how the country has transformed in a couple of decades,an almost pathalogical despise of so called scroungers and the workless.Have any of you retards checked the social security rates? 45 pound for a single person,no wonder they have to duck and dive.never in all my life have i read such a lot of pish from people who have no idea.the poor sods on the social deserve our help and sympathy not your hatred,shame on all of you,i hope you never know the utter despair of being out of work unable to provide for the kids and being loathed by the vast majority.you make me ashamed of my own country.
a leaf does not turn brown without the silent knowledge of the whole tree.
im glad i have true friends and family i can rely on and not you awfull excuses for human beings.

Despite claiming to have four eyes, you still cannot see what I was writing about. Let me spell it out for you. I have no qualms about helping those who are out of work through no fault of their own. What really angers me are those who have absolutely no intention of working and are more than happy to leech off the backs of the already overburdened working taxpayer.

read your own post,the few who we have to support will always be there,its the price we pay for being civiliased.the alternative would be rioting,people commiting heinous crimes to survive etc.take a look at south africa,brazil etc etc and then tell me its not woth it.
you must have your head up your own ass iff you accept the goverment wasting billions on bailouts,it projects,the olympics etc,and can only find a small minority on social to moan about.go and get a life you blind and pathetic person.
oh yea and mps expenses,the scottish parliament i could go on but people like you choose to ignore the facts and go for the easy targets.