Taliban, Invasion, Brutality of women in religion, Not Obama

[ionnsaigh]

I can't use the anti women brutality of the taliban regime to legitimise the invasion. The misery of 20 million Afghans living below the poverty line. The invaders, and the criminals of the puppet regime - play directly into the hands of medieval theocratic taliban.
I see no difference between Muslim and Christian - religion clearly favours the male of the species. The sooner people abandon the superstitious nonsense of God - then the sooner the emancipation of Woman.
Whats your take on the self flagellating of nuns in the Christian world sister? probably a little worse than having a baby.

[ionnsaigh]

The post above was a direct response - to a now removed post by Bobbie. I feel I must complain.

[gizmo]

Got to agree with Ionnsaigh if it was necessary to remove Bobbies post surely the reply should have been removed as well, maybe with a PM to each to explain why.. I woke up today and saw Ionnsaighs post and thought he had finally stepped over the insanity line he has been using as a tightrope for years..

[ionnsaigh]

Bobbie removed her own post, as I was replying. The post asked me of my take - on the brutality against woman by the taliban
and the mutilation of girls and women, by circumcision in the Muslim world.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Ionns, I removed my post when only I and one guest was on. Surely by the time you signed in you would have seen it was gone. But since you chose to respond, I'll put back exactly what I said.

I'm more than impressed by the impending closure of Guantanamo, and the recognition of the Geneva Convention. The lifting of the ban on funding organisations, who don't exclude abortion - will hopefully reduce the suffering of many women, and girls in the so called - least developed countries.

In response to your statement on the suffering of women I said:

I would be interested to hear your take on the suffering of women under the taliban. And what your take is on the muslim practice of mutilation by circumcision of young girls. Both far outweigh the suffering of having a baby.

For one, I chose to remove it when there was one guest on, but no one was in a position to respond, as no one was signed on and I had just posted. For another, although I think it is a very good and serious question, the thread is Obama. Thirdly, the issue of female mutlilation is probably a far more difficult discussion than people want on the forum.

Your response had nothing to do with my question, so you could have left it or removed it instead of making an issue of it.

[ionnsaigh]

Come again - because I'm more confused now after reading. The question begs why?
Why put it in
Why take it out
Really poor behavior on your part. Your right the thread is Obama, so why personally quote me - then ask my opinion on the taliban and Muslim mutilation of girls and women. Then when I reply - you turn it round and suggest that I was in the wrong.
You see bobbie both you and I know - that this is the second time this has happened - remember the scandalous wee attack last year?. One that I was prepared to let go until your latest episode. As far as female circumcision goes - and the good people of Kintyre - being in some way too sensitive to discuss - lets leave that up to them. Perhaps your posts should have a ten minute warning attached - just in case your bottle goes again.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

A 10-minute warning would be fine. The post was up for all of 1 1/2 minutes, if that.

As far as a "scandalous wee attack from last year," I don't have a clue what you are talking about. If I said something that offended you for a whole year, please accept my apologies.

[Mod7]

Now, back to the thread..

I split the thread to get the Obama thread back on topic Bobbie.

Can i just say though to the two of you..... WTF.. I bet i wasn't the only one confused by the direction the thread took.. it certainly woke me up..

[four eyes]

huuuuuu wtf

[ionnsaigh]

Anyway back to female genitally. Circumcision may be a barbaric Muslim custom - however Christian culture encouraged the burning of women, and equally barbaric acts of extreme violence - against women. I think before we go down the - naughty Muslim road - type of mentality - we should bear in mind our own Christian shortcomings. Otherwise it appears nothing more than sheer racism.

[Govangirl]

Otherwise it appears nothing more than sheer racism.

Whit! Honestly, Ionns, there are times I so agree with you and other times . . . You cannot compare what happened centuries ago with what is happening RIGHT NOW! Are you really serious that if women speak out about the plight of their global sisters, they are being racist! Get a grip.

Why put it in
Why take it out

That's what it's all about!

[ionnsaigh]

Global sisters - wow I love that. However the fact remains that the Muslim world - appears to be under attack at this time - by America and the West. I can't justify this carnage under any guise - be it those poor poor Women who undoubtedly suffer at the hands of the Taliban.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

You made a statement about the suffering of women in third world countries, I responded and deleted when I realized the kind of remarks I would probably get from you. I'm not surprised.

Racist? Millions of women in the world suffer this mutilation, sometimes lesser, sometimes horrific, some as young as 2.

Brutality is brutality, no matter at whose hands. It just so happens that this is happening to about 2-3 million women a year, not just in Africa or third world countries, but in Europe, Australia, the United States. That isn't shocking to you?

If a women is an adult and voluntarily undergoes such a procedure, more power to her. To force this on children is barbaric. If I DIDN'T speak out I would be racist.

[ionnsaigh]

You made a statement about the suffering of women in third world countries, I responded and deleted when I realized the kind of remarks I would probably get from you. I'm not surprised.

Racist? Millions of women in the world suffer this mutilation, sometimes lesser, sometimes horrific, some as young as 2.

Brutality is brutality, no matter at whose hands. It just so happens that this is happening to about 2-3 million women a year, not just in Africa or third world countries, but in Europe, Australia, the United States. That isn't shocking to you?

If a women is an adult and voluntarily undergoes such a procedure, more power to her. To force this on children is barbaric. If I DIDN'T speak out I would be racist.

It's interesting to note that you make no mention of the taliban or Muslim world - both featured prominently in your previous post. So much so - that my accusation of the post as being anti Muslim remains. Now you bring in Europe Australia and the United States - only after that original post - and my contention is that the post was indeed anti Muslim. Nobody is arguing that this practice isn't barbaric or shocking - how dare you suggest otherwise.
Incidentally most of these barbaric acts carried out against women - are by women . Sisterhood?

[Bobbie En Tejas]

I deleted the friggin original post in less than 2 minutes.. jesus, someone shoot me and get me out of my misery!