The Kintyre Forum

Right, there are times when I need to get out a soapbox!
I knew about this but didn't realise it was in Glasgow. What did they expect? Frankly, I'm shocked at how easy in this country we can deface and debase the Bible but if we did the same with the Q'oran, all Hell would break loose.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8171452.stm

Is this what is considered Art these days? Did the organisers get a grant for putting this nonsense on display? Why doesn't that spineless Archbishop stand up for his faith any more?

GG agree with you. While I do not believe in any god, I do think that some of these things are done just to see how far they can go and how many people they can piss off regardless of religious belief. Should there be a law???? I dont think so, public opinion ???? does anyone really care about anything anymore???

westport321 wrote:does anyone really care about anything anymore???

THAT is my mantra! I guess that's why they get away with so much these days. Apathy!

I was told tonight that actually The Pope condemned it today and stated that he believed this vandalism "would not have been contemplated with a copy of the Q'oran." I don't know about any other Church leader protesting though! I'm all for argument and criticism of religion but this is just a total lack of respect and is an indication of the contempt for the way Christianity is viewed. I also believe that if it was any other holy book, the 'artist' would be arrested for inciting religious hatred (although if he used an Islam holy text I expect he would be pleading for protective custody). I just feel that our beliefs and principles are treated with disdain nowadays and like you, feel that nobody cares!

I have been following this on one of the Glasgow forums and i am of the same mind as you GG .Art i have never heard so much sh*t in my life .It was supposed to be for gays to be able to write themselves into the bible .WHY ?

Do they think this is some harry potter story where they can just write themselves into it and when it is next published their names will be there for all time .It is obviouse to me why she the artist did this ,some kind of gay statement .
You are correct when you say what would happen if it was the koran ,jeezo they went mental over a poem .I would be interested to know if the bible was defaced by our muslim brothers ,suppose we will never find that out . As someone on the Glasgow forum already said the artist should be charged with enciting racist hatred .

"Jane Clarke, herself a Christian, had said she wanted people who felt marginalised to be able to write their stories back into the Bible."

Maybe I'm a bit obtuse, but I don't have a clue what she's talking about.

blueboyno1 wrote:the artist should be charged with enciting racist hatred .

Hoot?? How is that inciting racial hatred?

Some might say that it would actually have been worse if she had encouraged people to scribble over a Harry Potter book!

Ranald wrote:

blueboyno1 wrote:the artist should be charged with enciting racist hatred .

Hoot?? How is that inciting racial hatred?

Ranald, think of the results if the 'artist' ( ) had displayed a copy of the Q'oran and invited the public to deface it. Quite rightly, those that had their Islam text so debased would not stand by and allow that - there would be much racial hatred in the streets of Glasgow. I'm not saying Christians should be rioting in the streets and shouting death threats but I do wish we would stand up for our heritage and beliefs a whole lot more. There are little enough things to respect nowadays but someone's religious beliefs ought to be one of them. So why should we allow the desecration of the faith of our own country?

I think a lot of modern art is just about sensationalism and this is one example. Personally, I am disappointed that Glasgow City Council has supported it. I have always thought that my city was outstanding at opposing all forms of discrimination but how this vandalism is going to result in a more tolerant society is beyond me.

And whether or not someone has faith of any kind, the difference between this and Harry Potter is that one is seen as a sacred text. Surely we can respect that? Personally, I see the desecration of ANY book as vandalism but I am offended if anyone's religious text is abused like this. It's really not about defacing one book but about the lack of respect and tolerance of each other's beliefs.

Ranald wrote:
Some might say that it would actually have been worse if she had encouraged people to scribble over a Harry Potter book!

Only if it had been a 1st edition Ranald

Govangirl wrote:

Ranald wrote:

blueboyno1 wrote:the artist should be charged with enciting racist hatred .

Hoot?? How is that inciting racial hatred?

Ranald, think of the results if the 'artist' ( ) had displayed a copy of the Q'oran and invited the public to deface it. Quite rightly, those that had their Islam text so debased would not stand by and allow that - there would be much racial hatred in the streets of Glasgow. I'm not saying Christians should be rioting in the streets and shouting death threats but I do wish we would stand up for our heritage and beliefs a whole lot more. There are little enough things to respect nowadays but someone's religious beliefs ought to be one of them. So why should we allow the desecration of the faith of our own country?

I think a lot of modern art is just about sensationalism and this is one example. Personally, I am disappointed that Glasgow City Council has supported it. I have always thought that my city was outstanding at opposing all forms of discrimination but how this vandalism is going to result in a more tolerant society is beyond me.

And whether or not someone has faith of any kind, the difference between this and Harry Potter is that one is seen as a sacred text. Surely we can respect that? Personally, I see the desecration of ANY book as vandalism but I am offended if anyone's religious text is abused like this. It's really not about defacing one book but about the lack of respect and tolerance of each other's beliefs.

Well answered G.G saves me the trouble of writing big long post ,just home for lunch .

It's a wee bit like a vegetarian passing a butchers shop. Or at least it should be.

I am not offended.

It is paper and binder and presumably the person's own property. Faith isn't going to be made or broken by this person's idea of art. What would be worse is hatred and condemnation. Her point, I believe, was that the bible is inclusive. Its not my idea of art, but then again, neither is some of the other ridiculous things people do and call art.

I understand your point, Govan, but you have to remember that there are some religions that would cut the heads off of the infidel for doing this. Is that preferable to ignoring it?

Aye Texas Boab "there are some religions that would cut the heads off" brings to mind the Spanish Inquisition aan the demise o the Aztecs an the Incas an the Mayas .Disna quite compare wi scriblin oan a book though !

A wee extract from a Glesga street song -- The Billies an Sallies

When ye ask whit they think o religion
they say ach religions aw right
but these guys are only religeous
when they want an excuse fur a fight

Bitter End wrote:Aye Texas Boab "there are some religions that would cut the heads off" brings to mind the Spanish Inquisition aan the demise o the Aztecs an the Incas an the Mayas .

Absolutely, bitter..

More than the "artist" (and I use the term loosely), you have to wonder about the qualifications of a curator of an art museum who deems this art.

Curator ??? Keech Stirrer an Prodder mair like !!!!!! Ther goin oot o ther way tae awaken the Kraken !!

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:I am not offended.

It is paper and binder and presumably the person's own property. Faith isn't going to be made or broken by this person's idea of art. What would be worse is hatred and condemnation. Her point, I believe, was that the bible is inclusive. Its not my idea of art, but then again, neither is some of the other ridiculous things people do and call art.

I understand your point, Govan, but you have to remember that there are some religions that would cut the heads off of the infidel for doing this. Is that preferable to ignoring it?

Spot on. Saves me the trouble of writing a big long post

I still don't see how it's inciting racial hatred. Which race exactly is it inciting people to hate?