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What are your views on Abortion?

I think you will find that this is one of the topics that was removed from the departed Speakers Corner.

bill wrote:I think you will find that this is one of the topics that was removed from the departed Speakers Corner.

Bill,

I think you will find it was the content of thread that was removed and not the question.

NelsonL1995 wrote:What are your views on Abortion.

This is just a question and a valid one so carry on please. (but one for current affairs I think)

Anything that stops unwanted children being brought into the world can only be a good thing.

A surprising question from one so young Nelson. I never would have considered it for myself, but can accept that in certain circumstances it is for the best, i.e. if there`s something seriously wrong with the foetus, or if having the baby it could cause harm to the mother to be. I don`t believe in abortion just for the sake of it, as in just a convenient way of getting rid of an unwanted child, as precautions can be taken, especially in this day and age. But then I think of how life would be for the unwanted child if it`s born, and maybe abortion would have been the best option after all. Difficult question!

Martin wrote:Anything that stops unwanted children being brought into the world can only be a good thing.

Abstinence?

Abstinence...... come on Bobbi never happen.
I worked in an abortion clinic and would never ever question why those women chose that alternative, one thing I will say is that after 12 to 16 weeks abortion should be outlawed especially late 2nd and 3 trimester abortions. My other comment is that all the people who scream about the preciousness of ALL life will still agree that abortion in the case of rape or incest is prob OK, all the while bad talking poor families who cant afford to feed the children they have, calling them layabouts, drug addicts, welfare queens etc, without knowing the circumstances they live in.
off my box now.

westport.. that was in response to Martin's post that ANYTHING that stops unwanted children can only be a good thing.. etc etc... (it was actually supposed to be humorous, but I guess that was lost)

People make their own decisions, but i do think that people are more willing to kill their own offspring than take any responsibility for their own actions. I'm not just talking abstinence here, I'm not delusional (although some might think I am), but what about condoms and birth control and education and having some REAL control over one's own body, or taking responsibility for one's decisions (does anyone do that any more)? And most people don't get abortions because of rape or incest, they get them for convenience.

Having said all that, I would be very sad if one of my kids had one, but I wouldn't love them any less or think any less of them. Just would rather they made other choices. Just because something's legal doesn't make it right.

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:westport.. that was in response to Martin's post that ANYTHING that stops unwanted children can only be a good thing.. etc etc... (it was actually supposed to be humorous, but I guess that was lost)

People make their own decisions, but i do think that people are more willing to kill their own offspring than take any responsibility for their own actions. I'm not just talking abstinence here, I'm not delusional (although some might think I am), but what about condoms and birth control and education and having some REAL control over one's own body, or taking responsibility for one's decisions (does anyone do that any more)? And most people don't get abortions because of rape or incest, they get them for convenience.

Having said all that, I would be very sad if one of my kids had one, but I wouldn't love them any less or think any less of them. Just would rather they made other choices. Just because something's legal doesn't make it right.

I think we can agree to disagree, however like you I live in the states and I am appaled at the lack of PARENTAL or otherwise teaching on basic biological funtions and the use,availability, and education about birth control.
I did not miss your humor..... my reply was.

Which part of my post do you disagree with?

westport321 wrote:all the while bad talking poor families who cant afford to feed the children they have, calling them layabouts, drug addicts, welfare queens etc, without knowing the circumstances they live in.

The last time I checked birth control was provided free of charge in the UK. I don't see how you can attribute the failure to take advantage of it to poverty?

More like stupidity, perhaps, and an assumption that the state will continue to provide financial support for yet another unproductive mouth.

What do you class as productive ?
Britain hasn't had a productivity based economy for a long long time.

Punching buttons on a computer isn't productive, it's about as useful as calculating & collating useless information & shuffling bits of paper around & pretending it's important. These things can be done cheaper overseas (and will be).

There's a lot more, soon to be useless mouths, who might have the common sense to realise that.

Too many people have ideas way above their station, and have bought themselves lifestyles to match on credit.
All the defaults are now being picked up by the taxpayer. Cheque mate.

£3.73 wrote:Too many people have ideas way above their station, and have bought themselves lifestyles to match on credit.
All the defaults are now being picked up by the taxpayer. Cheque mate.

Heaven forbid that anyone should have the temerity to try and improve themselves and their standard of living. I'll go and look out my flat cap and whippet so that I remember my true station in life. Also, many of the taxpayers you refer to, earn their living from the very occupations you seem to have so much disdain for.

I'm no Tommy Sheridan !!! He who works hardest deserves more in my book.
And I certainly don't have disdain for anyone.

The previous poster was suggesting that "The Jeremy Kyle" class of society are unproductive "useless eaters", looking for government handouts.

I'm merely pointing out that the current economic situation is a result of working people being seduced into crippling mortgages and fancier lifestyles primarily based on easily available credit. (and I could add a decades worth of tv programming and media blitzkreig on everything from changing rooms, to moving up property ladders, to having 2nd homes abroad, to fine cuisine & wine buffery, holidays in far off exotic places, designer gear, must have gadgets, cult of celebrity etc etc). In other words .... played like fiddles ... dangle the carrots ..... and now wield the stick.
Predictably, there's been a lot of defaulted payments.
The taxpayer is now underwriting those.bad debts.

As for the jobs many people generally do these days ... no, I don't think they are particularly skilled.
(although that's often well camoflaged with an impressive sounding bullshit job title).
(a wee aside ... it's well known amongst certain employers you can pay people less by giving them a fancy job title)
Will many of those jobs be shipped overseas. YES.

Britain doesn't have a manufacturing based economy. It doesn't have anything like the skilled workforce it had.
Look at how easily steelworkers, shipbuilders, miners, fishermen, carworkers, etc etc etc were disposed of.
Those jobs were shipped overseas for reasons of cost.

And my take on Eastern Europeans being allowed into the UK by the millions ... simply to remind us all that no-one is indespensible !

£3.73 wrote:I'm merely pointing out that the current economic situation is a result of working people being seduced into crippling mortgages and fancier lifestyles primarily based on easily available credit. (and I could add a decades worth of tv programming and media blitzkreig on everything from changing rooms, to moving up property ladders, to having 2nd homes abroad, to fine cuisine & wine buffery, holidays in far off exotic places, designer gear, must have gadgets, cult of celebrity etc etc). In other words .... played like fiddles ... dangle the carrots ..... and now wield the stick.
Predictably, there's been a lot of defaulted payments.
The taxpayer is now underwriting those.bad debts.

I don't think that was as apparent from your first post but I accept your argument. I think I'd still disagree on your perception on what is deemed as "productive" though. Yes, as a country we may not produce anywhere near the output that we once did but that's not to say that, because a job is not particularly skilled it can't be productive. A checkout operator at Tesco is technically only "pushing buttons" but I'd imagine, at the end of an 8 hour shift, they feel as if they've done a productive day's work.