The Kintyre Forum

NOTE: this post was split from another thread without the post that my post below was in reply to. I have edited this post to included that missing post.

ionnsaigh wrote:Nationalise ( Scotland )
Power companies
Oil
Rail
Banks
Building
Road
Air
Prices
Close all - but State run schools
Lower the voting age
Decriminalise all drugs
Wipe out poverty
Build Thousands of new homes per year
Abolish the standing armed forces
Introduce a national wage of £10 per hour
Lower the working week to 30 hours
Guarantee child care provision
All treatment offered freely - at point of need
The means of production transferred to the hands that produce
The introduction of a new Scottish car
Massive public investment in shipbuilding
The age of retirement open from 50 years
The School starting age reduced - and leaving date increased
The Banning of all religious orders
Five new University s - Three of which to be placed in rural Scotland
Free Public transport
Free Gas and Electricity
The creation of a national pharmaceutical industry
Scientific Funding to cure illness and disease
Clean hospitals overflowing with highly trained medical staff
Nationalise all land

Basically you want everything for nothing then ionnsaigh ?

You want the Scottish government to pay for all this and you do sod all for it.

You want paid more for doing less work!

I'm sorry, but all that does is let the lazy people get everything for free.

Yes why work for it when you can live in Scotland and get it all for doing far less!

Can just see all the lazy gits in every EU member country buying family travel tickets as i type. (unless you want Scotland to resign from the EU as well)

Everything you have listed requires money to implement, so enlighten me as to where all this free flowing cash comes from.

Who's paying for it? Its not the workforce, as they are not bothering to go out and make a living to pay the bills.. its all free

ionnsaigh wrote:


The amount of labour expelled to produce, combined in terms of abundance and famine( bearing in mind the general principle more = less ) . The scarcity of certain things reinforces this rule when the contradiction equates less = more. So it's in any fair societies best interests - to produce what is sufficient to meet needs - using less labour only increases it's worth to that society. The cheaper you make things, bearing in mind an ethos of high quality production the better it is.
Any fair society would act only in the best interests of itself.

Adapted from Marx by any chance?

dgraves wrote:A saber, Hugh

Hardly, to put it simply - and hopefully blunt hughe's saber.
Why is their a difference in value, say for example between coal and gold. The abundance of coal to the relatively scarce gold.
Availability plays a important function - in reaching their respective values. The more common a commodity the cheaper it becomes - this is a natural phenomena - the reward or bounty is always ( apart from disease or famine ) greater than the labour used. Harvest festivals - spring to mind.
Potatoes are cheaper than diamonds.

daftdog wrote:You want paid more for doing less work!

As opposed to doing more for less pay , then yes. Or do you think we should carry on paying workers, only part of the value that their labour actually produces ? It might provide a few luxury lifestyles, for those that exploit - yet it creates antagonistic divisions in society - I'm for peace and justice, and a world without the need of trade unions. Reducing the working week, would solve the unemployment problem - a problem I may add - that never seems to go away.

Nobody is wanting something for nothing - far from it - I advocate strongly, the ethos of hard work.
However, I draw the line at exploiting labour, for personal gain. The working class people of Scotland, economic circumstances would undoubtedly fare better. Government should actively encourage small business to thrive - one way to achieve this outcome - would be too increase spending power, and offer some grant based system to expand. I would say that a good housekeeper knows what's required - in other words invest in the veg - before you make the soup.

hes lost it,can you realy believe any of that shite ions?