A Horse called Juan Face wrote:...but my politics are quite left so im probably too radical or something for people
I'm a lefty myself, ponyboy... not sure if anyone noticed
A Horse called Juan Face wrote:...but my politics are quite left so im probably too radical or something for people


Bobbie En Tejas wrote:More what I am saying is, let them come and do their jobs without having to take the great risk of dying for the opportunity. If we just let them come and work and do their jobs, they can pay taxes with their paychecks the same as you and I do. I don't get free health care.. as a matter of fact, I don't have health insurance. I can't get health care because I am not poor enough to get on the government care and I am not rich enough to afford to pay for it myself. I am self employed, so don't have the benefit of having a company pay a good portion for me. Is my health any less important than anyone else's?
My point is, if they are allowed to work, they pay taxes, they get the same benefits I do, and the same hardships I do. Maybe the farmers and ranchers who have been benefiting from the sweat of their backs for years should contribute to their health care and pay higher taxes for their education.
As it is now, it is all a charade. They are welcomed and wanted to do the jobs they do, as long as everyone plays the game right, but in doing that, they drown or die trying to cross the arizona desert or in the back of semi trucks or rail cars. Just let them work....

dgraves wrote:Bobbie En Tejas wrote:More what I am saying is, let them come and do their jobs without having to take the great risk of dying for the opportunity. If we just let them come and work and do their jobs, they can pay taxes with their paychecks the same as you and I do. I don't get free health care.. as a matter of fact, I don't have health insurance. I can't get health care because I am not poor enough to get on the government care and I am not rich enough to afford to pay for it myself. I am self employed, so don't have the benefit of having a company pay a good portion for me. Is my health any less important than anyone else's?
My point is, if they are allowed to work, they pay taxes, they get the same benefits I do, and the same hardships I do. Maybe the farmers and ranchers who have been benefiting from the sweat of their backs for years should contribute to their health care and pay higher taxes for their education.
As it is now, it is all a charade. They are welcomed and wanted to do the jobs they do, as long as everyone plays the game right, but in doing that, they drown or die trying to cross the arizona desert or in the back of semi trucks or rail cars. Just let them work....
I guess part of the problem would be solved if it were easier to obtain a green card to work in the US temporarily. That would be a partial solution, as then they would be obligated to pay taxes. As it is now, they do not pay taxes and the bulk of their earnings goes back to their families in their countries of origin. I would like to see the suffering they endure to enter the US stopped as I imagine most would. As far as medical goes...thats a different can of worms!We pay through the nose for medical, whereas they do get medical for free, being at the poverty level.
Thanks Bobbie..it is a problem that needs to be addressed. I'm glad you brought it up. I would really like to know how the immigrants are integrated into the community of Campbeltown. I'm sure we could learn something.


Bobbie, I am in sympathy with the latin immigrants as I work with them on a daily basis through the courts. But... they cannot work in the US illegally and be expected to survive without the 'free' education, medical, and other assorted handouts from the government that you and I pay for as long as they are illegally here. As long as they are illegal they pay no taxes, therefore are dependent upon you and me for support. I'm just asking you...what is your solution? You are saying 'just let them come work' because of the hardships they endure trying to access a better paying job? That is what we have been doing for decades. They bring their families that need care. You and I are the ones that have been and will foot the bill.
I am truely interested in your response. It is a question that is confounding the whole country...but not a new one.

dgraves wrote:I'm glad you brought it up. I would really like to know how the immigrants are integrated into the community of Campbeltown. I'm sure we could learn something.


A Horse called Juan Face wrote:goodness sake p, were having a serious conversation here
bah!

Annie wrote:Hold on to your open door approach there Bobbie! I agree with Dorian!
I am a Scottish immigrant to the States. I came here legally. I have paid ALL the FEES, filled out each and EVERY form in TRIPLICATE. Been subjected to medical exams, and my past has been scrutinized with a very fine tooth comb. If I can get here LEGALLY, become a LEGAL RESIDENT ALIEN and go through the proper channels, then why can't other immigrants to the States.
Annie wrote:I think that it is bullshit that Bush thinks he can grant instant immunity to some and then not to others, who like myself, come from a English speaking country, have been decently educated, will work AND pay taxes and foot the bills for their own health care coverage. These kinds of people would actually benefit the economy and not flood it with their family members, who in turn reap the benefits paid by the rest of us.
Annie wrote:Don't get me wrong, I am not just directing this towards the Hispanic people. I live here in Hawaii and see all kinds of mixes of Hawaiian/Samoan/Oriental people (Chinese, Japanese, Philippino, Korean and Taiwanese) doing the same thing. In all actuality, the Orientals are worse! They refuse point blank to speak English and form small communities of their own and do business with each other. They lapse into their native language at every opportunity. In fact, so much so, that the military in Hawaii has actually banned such lapses into native tongues as there were several instances where it was getting out of hand and becoming very racist.
Annie wrote:Also, for me to become an American ciitizen, I have to pay a very large fee, and take a test. The test being such that if you asked the general American public, Joe Shmoe guy, more than half of them would not be able to answer.
Annie wrote:I am not pointing the finger at any one race or religion, etc., but feel it is necessary that if people want to belong in a different country other than their country of origin, they should do it legally, pay the fees, fill out the damn forms and wait in line like the rest of us, and not just for a hand out either!!

thep wrote:dgraves wrote:I'm glad you brought it up. I would really like to know how the immigrants are integrated into the community of Campbeltown. I'm sure we could learn something.
Thats easy - we just ship them upto Carradale!

Annie wrote:
Hold on to your open door approach there Bobbie! I agree with Dorian!
I am a Scottish immigrant to the States. I came here legally. I have paid ALL the FEES, filled out each and EVERY form in TRIPLICATE. Been subjected to medical exams, and my past has been scrutinized with a very fine tooth comb. If I can get here LEGALLY, become a LEGAL RESIDENT ALIEN and go through the proper channels, then why can't other immigrants to the States.
I understood that you were married to an American, which puts you in a whole different category, Annie.

To be fair, the illegals I know work very hard. I have one friend, in particular, who came over and worked for $4 a day 25 years ago (that was a pittance even then). He would stand downtown with others, and the ranchers and other employers would come down and get them to work all day and take them back to the street corner at night. He worked, eventually married, eventually owned a plumbing company and is one of the hardest working men I know. As a matter of fact, a house that I bought a few years ago with my ex was a big rock house, and he is the one who did the work years ago. Years later when we bought it, he was our guest and our friend.. he would inspect to make sure it was still perfect. He would touch it. Better work you'd be hard pressed to find anywhere. He took great pride in what he did.
And speaking of bush, I do wonder how many illegals his family has hired over the years.

I agree, but lets not make it impossible. I don't think it should be all that expensive or complicated for anyone to come here, as long as they are willing to work and not expecting a free lunch.
Now, Annie, having said all that, what do you think of my original questions about Kintyre?

Annie wrote:I do understand how hard the immigrant population works, and I also understand that lazy Americans whine that the immigrants are taking their jobs. But how many Americans do you know that would work for $4 a day, all day, in the blazing sun and not complain to high heaven. Not one! I admire the immigrant work ethic!

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