Public Meeting

[Bruce]

ionnsaigh, what makes any one group of people better than any other? Your vision of Scotland (as being some form of master race) speaks volumes for you... as do many of your other comments... actually don't bother responding to this as personally I couldn't care less about you and your opinions on anyone or anything!

[dedalus]

Nah John - there is is no credible alternative - a poor position for the party to have got itself into I know - I did laugh at the poll last week that compared Mcconnel and Salmond - one of the questions was which would you trust with your wallet?

amazingly 10% said mcconnel ..... that many ??

[Sweltered]

I was talking about Moslem men in the UK, I made that clear. I was talking about getting off your arse here, I'm in the US, can't you understand anything!

Why do you always have to twist things, moron, my point wasn't as sinsister as you wish to believe it was, I was talking about ALL racial group in the US because Trapper was suggesting that only the African Americans were poor, (and I'll say it again), moron. I was reporting on a belief, printed in the Wall Street journal (shock horror a capitalist paper) suggesting the Islamification (is that a word?) of Europe. IT IS NOT MY VIEW. Moron. It must difficult to exist, when all you pay attention to is communist doctrine. Try reading and understanding what you read. My friends family were exactly as I expected, nice people. Oh and by the way, you can dislike someone without being racist.

Do communists qualify as a race?

[Trapper]

Just to clarify things from my side also. I was referring to an article in new scientist magazine when I mentioned the racial element of poverty in the U.S.A. Apparently this study showed america was divided into 8 different nations by income and life expectancy. The worst off of these 8 nations was the 'high risk urban black nation' next was the 'southern low-income black' after that was the 'black middle american' 5th palced was 'western native american' 4th (this is a mouthful) 'low income white in appalachia and mississipi valley' 3rd 'middle american' 2nd 'northland low income rural white' and top of the pile as far as how long you're going to live and how much you earn in th u.s.a. is 'asian'. So as you see according to this Black americans are much worse of in many ways than white or asian americans. It doesnt' mention exiled scots anywhere mind you but it's quite an interesting article.

Here's a link if you're interested.
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opi ... ricas.html

[Bobbie En Tejas]

From that same article:

Another group, labelled "Middle America", was mostly white, fairly wealthy, and accounted for the majority of the population.


Middle america is described as ".....fairly wealthy"? and accounted for the majority of the population??? Give me a break lol Middle America is about the same as Middle Campbeltown. We eat, have roofs over our heads, have tv and internet, have a couple extra bucks to spend sometimes (unless the roof leaked).. (in which case you hope you are renting so the landlady can worry about it) .. Where do these people come off with this stuff?

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Trapper, let me tell you a little story. A few years back, a 16 year old girl from Luxemborg came to visit. Her father was an international lawyer, doing work in such places as Saudi Arabia. I lived in Phoenix, Arizona at the time. She wanted to see the indian reservations, and the abject poverty she "knew" they lived in. I had never been to that reservation myself (although I did live in a town called Irving, considered part of the Cattaraugus Indian Reservation in New York State, when I was growing up). So, we drove to the reservation, saw houses, saw stores, saw churches... saw lots and lots of land with animals. Saw no teepees.. saw no people running up to the car begging for food, saw no groups of painted people with feathers. She insisted that I wasn't taking her to the real reservation. She "knew" there was deep poverty, so I must be lying to her about where the really poor, downtrodden indians were. Never mind the fact that Indians do not have to live on reservations. They live there by choice. And can move to the cities and work, just like anyone else. To this day I am sure she tells people that the americans wouldn't show her the real reservations. Because she didn't see what she wanted to see.

I live in a city of 68% hispanic people. If you drive through some neighborhoods, the houses may in worse shape than other neighborhoods. Many of those houses have been passed down from generation to generation, with the occupants not having to pay rent or mortgage and little in taxes. But instead of thinking that people have the opportunity to buy better houses, but don't want to because then they'd have a mortgage payment, you'd think that for some reason they are forced to live there.

Come to the US and live for a while. You might see that you can't believe everything you read or everything you see on Jerry Springer.

[4th gen Suthen']

All this is very interesting but what about the Melungeons? where do they fit in? in the poverty scale
Maybe they are classified in one of the other groups..........

[Trapper]

bobbie

Thanks for the reply. I have to admit one thing about that article which puzzled me was where the hispanic population fitted in. I also have to admit that although I have been in the states on numerous occasions (even in tejas!!) I was there on a merchant ship and with little time for going ashore (quite apart from the hassle of even getting a shore pass) the majority of the places/people I saw were in and around the port areas of the places I visited. As I have found out all over the world, if you want to find the most rundown parts of town, invariably you head for the docks!! This has maybe tainted my view of the u.s.a. in that I didn't see much of the better off people or parts of town. Anyway I think i'm way off topic here so I'll just leave it at that.

Hasta la victoria siempre!!

[Bobbie En Tejas]

All this is very interesting but what about the Melungeons? where do they fit in? in the poverty scale
Maybe they are classified in one of the other groups..........

4th! I thought you made that up! I looked it up and, sure enough, there are Melungeons! who knew? The mysterious people. Sounds very interesting.

[ionnsaigh]

I was talking about Moslem men in the UK, I made that clear. I was talking about getting off your ar$e here, I'm in the US, can't you understand anything!

Why do you always have to twist things, moron, my point wasn't as sinsister as you wish to believe it was, I was talking about ALL racial group in the US because Trapper was suggesting that only the African Americans were poor, (and I'll say it again), moron. I was reporting on a belief, printed in the Wall Street journal (shock horror a capitalist paper) suggesting the Islamification (is that a word?) of Europe. IT IS NOT MY VIEW. Moron. It must difficult to exist, when all you pay attention to is communist doctrine. Try reading and understanding what you read. My friends family were exactly as I expected, nice people. Oh and by the way, you can dislike someone without being racist.

Do communists qualify as a race?

No Communism is International as is the inherent drive in most Humans for fairness and justice -alas you revert to childlike name calling, when your shallow right wing views are confronted. As far as the Islamification of Europe is concerned -that is a view you happen to share with the Wall Street Journal,the difference only lies in timescale according to you, "It will take longer". How long until the Scottishification of the USA takes place? In your opinion I presume never. Why , something to do with presbyterian indoctrination that you where subjected to in your formative years- I guess.
Nobody in their right mind would willing want to move to the USA- Why- because it represents the greatest danger ever encountered by Mankind. Allow me to make another stab at guessing your type of personality- You think that the Immoral wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are justified, An opinion you happen to share with that war monger Bush. Go on tell me I'm wrong. To me your posts typify crass Middle Class false values, that in the final analysis should be surgically removed in order that Civilised Society can move forward to a further progressive level- a position that reactionaries like yourself , do everything in their power to intellectually evade and physically resist. Why do you ask if Communists qualify as a race?
other than inferring that you would transfer your racist opinions to include something that you adequately appear to have no true understanding of. The Capitalist propaganda machine, drastically reduced its output at least when it came to preaching to the already converted. However there is hope for everyone including the likes of you - who at the end of the day cant have a reasonable conversation without reducing it to a mere type of street squabbling.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Excuse me for being so naive, but I thought the U.S. was started by the scottishification of America. Take a look at our south. Take a look at our laws. Hell, take a look at our Navy

As for the "capitalist machine," the people who seem to throw around the term the most are the ones who want to live on the sweat of someone else's brow.

I do agree with you about Bush. But you are as scary as he is. You should be throwing out terms such as "axis of evil," etc. I guess I should add that my daughter is in Iraq.

[ionnsaigh]

Excuse me for being so naive, but I thought the U.S. was started by the scottishification of America. Take a look at our south. Take a look at our laws. Hell, take a look at our Navy

As for the "capitalist machine," the people who seem to throw around the term the most are the ones who want to live on the sweat of someone else's brow.

I do agree with you about Bush. But you are as scary as he is. You should be throwing out terms such as "axis of evil," etc. I guess I should add that my daughter is in Iraq.

With a gun in her hands

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Yes, with a gun in her hand. Would probably be stupid driving a vehicle in Iraq without one. I threw that in because I knew that was going to come up sooner or later if I responded to your posts, and figured I would throw it out there right up front. What about the rest of the things I said?

Quote from the Burkes Peerage homepage: "....men of Scottish descent enjoyed an extraordinary representation among signatories of the Declaration of Independence. Well over a third, and by some estimations as many as three-quarters, of the fifty-six signatories were Scots-born or had some Scots ancestry. The prominence of Scots colonialists in the push towards independence and the contribution of so many Scots and Americans with Scottish blood in the creation and shaping of the United States illustrates the profound and widespread influence of the ideas and values of the Scottish Enlightenment."

btw, I am sorry to have previously offended anyone by using the phrase "America's war of independence against England," instead of including Scotland in that in a previous post, but maybe the above feeling and my Scottish ancestors make it hard for me to blame Scotland for anything, and no disrespect to anyone who died doing what they considered their duty, whether they agreed or not.

[ionnsaigh]

Yes, with a gun in her hand. Would probably be stupid driving a vehicle in Iraq without one. I threw that in because I knew that was going to come up sooner or later if I responded to your posts, and figured I would throw it out there right up front. What about the rest of the things I said?

Quote from the Burkes Peerage homepage: "....men of Scottish descent enjoyed an extraordinary representation among signatories of the Declaration of Independence. Well over a third, and by some estimations as many as three-quarters, of the fifty-six signatories were Scots-born or had some Scots ancestry. The prominence of Scots colonialists in the push towards independence and the contribution of so many Scots and Americans with Scottish blood in the creation and shaping of the United States illustrates the profound and widespread influence of the ideas and values of the Scottish Enlightenment."

btw, I am sorry to have previously offended anyone by using the phrase "America's war of independence against England," instead of including Scotland in that in a previous post, but maybe the above feeling and my Scottish ancestors make it hard for me to blame Scotland for anything, and no disrespect to anyone who died doing what they considered their duty, whether they agreed or not.

Im sorry to hear that your Daughter is in Iraq- I can only wish that she returns home safely to her Family, this must be a tough time for you right now. At this point -to answer any of the other interesting points you have raised, would I fear be deemed inappropriate.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Thats not why I said it, but thank you for your well wishes.