Sweltered wrote:ionnsaigh wrote:Buzz Lightyear wrote:No matter what gets done in the town we have got to realise that we are in this for the long haul.....we are probably looking at 15-20 years here before the toon fully recovers.
Why do we always knock everything & look at the downside to everything, lets look at all the positives, i think it will take a while but i am convinced we will get there.
Hi although I share your sentiment I cant agree that it will take 15-20 years to recover. In order to see the reality of any given situation you must have an understanding of it's history - and it's components- regardless if you determine wither they be positives or otherwise. Both sides of the coin. What has the town lost? and what has it gained?. Their has been changes to the means of production- this generally means that a labour saving benefit arises from this change- this benefit is stolen from society at large by the people who control the means of production- any derived benefit is shared disproportionately by a relatively few wealthy individuals. Governmental responsibility is marginalized by the dictates of the few, in other words a free market economy. So how do you envisage the recovery of the town in this generally unhelpful environment? Do we wait until a big capital interest eyes the toon with greed. Or do you stand up and demand your Human rights? and the subsequent government responsibility to meet those rights.
What utter p!$h. Are you really suggesting that the government should create jobs directly? A state run sweatshop? Since you are such a fan of history you will remember the dabacle of the nationalised industry and how successful those were, no wait a minute, weren't they ruined by people like you ? Strike after strike, granted some of the strikes were warranted, but many were not (stand by for a miners reference). DO you expect this government run enterprise to run as a charity and not make a profit? Other than this what can the Government do? Give tax breaks so that the greedy capitalist can make more money? And by the way, haven't you noticed, capitalism is working at the moment, what ever happened to the system YOU seem to hold close to your heart? Not many of THEM left is there? Survival of the fittest, its the oldest game in town.
The mentality adopted by those who - like yourself can have- what can only be described as a neolithic type throwback to much earlier times - it seems that you retain - not the need for survival, rather its antithesis. Your like a chicken running about without a heid, when it comes to your own miserable assessment of the situation. Not surprising really - that it appears an example of extreme Presbyterian value. One that pits man against man, the biggest and strongest survive.
This is the false premise from which your view stems. No one on this Earth is independent, we by degree are dependent creatures- one of our first lessons is the realisation that baby needs Mother in order to survive. Why do I recognise a certain amount of hostility contained in your posts- Its the hostility of the headless Chicken syndrome, otherwise you would have no trouble in attempting to rationalise in a dignified and civilised manner, alas we cant communicate with the dead bird. However as Ive indicated previously things can and will change as that is the true nature of all living things- so there is hope even for future chickens. So Capitalism is working at the moment- Aye yer dead right it is- Look at the state of the World- not a pretty picture by any account. The people who start wars happen- and not by coincidence - share your shallow self type of preservation opinion. So Capitalism is working, in Scotland and Kintyre and Campbeltown- then I will rush up tae Drumchapel and inform my precious Son his precious Wife and our fantastic wee grandson Josh that Capital is working and as a result they will die 36 years prematurely their lives plagued by bad housing poor health and poorly paid jobs due to the fact that Capitalism is working- what do you expect from someone like me- appeasement? As far as Nationalised industries goes well you only have to look at the latest price increases and the utter mess that free enterprise has made of these industries , which after all provide -what we all require and need. Should a fundamental human need be left at the hands of those who would profit in our need. What type of Human would charge a baby for its Mothers milk.Yet this is what you advocate- not only this is what we have- and the civilised amongst us wonder how such a view remains dominant in today's Capitalist culture, without wishing to reiterate one that Pitts one against the other, brother to brother sister to sister.
You assert that the demise of the nationalised industries was in fact due to a militant workforce. You would have to ask yourself if these industries where truly nationalised. in other words how did we the paying punters benefit the truth of the matter is that we didn't, the only people to benefit where the industrial Capitalists. Since when where Democratic Government run entirely along the lines of profit. Democracy and Capitalism are antagonistic contradictions- who would genuinely vote for a slap in the teeth and told to shut up and come back in Four years for another ultimate slap- that isn't Democratic that is Capitalism. The system I advocate is simply one that is based on Human need- and the equal distribution of common wealth for the common benefit of all.
