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Postby Wee Toon Ajax » Fri May 25, 2007 7:40 am

Got up early and just been flicking through various news websites for Scottish related matters. Have to say the more I read about the current bunch either in charge of the Labour Party or masquerading as MPs or MSPs the more angrier I get. Could the arrogance and contempt they hold people in get any worse.

Can they actually claim to be a party of the working class, as they seem to me be only concerned about what they can get out of it for themselves. I know most politicians are like this but this lot are beyond belief. I actually wonder what the old Labour stalwarts in the town actually think of the people who now represent them.

The campaign Labour ran for the Scottish elections was the most negative, it appeared to me, I can remember. The whole point of their campaign seemed to me was to attack their opponents at every opportunity and to put down the Scottish nation in general whilst forgetting to mention any achievements that they actually had in their time in power. This was the focus of a dutch news article too.

But since the results of the election, it appears to me that their arrogance and contempt for others has shown no bounds. First we had wee Joke McConnell disappearing from site as soon as it became apparent that for the first time in 50 years they had not won. Then we hear that he ignores all etiquette in not contacting the leader of the winning party to congratulate them.

Then when it is announced that the SNP and Greens are to form the government we hear that neither the PM or PM in waiting has had the decency to phone Salmond up to congratulate him, which I thought would have been courteous no matter what party they represent. Oh no, Tony is over in the States coorying up to Bush as usual whilst oor Gordon is probably raging at the thought that instead of the Scottish parliament jumping at his every whim we might even have a cabinet who will actually act in the interest of Scotland and not what the incumbents at Downing street want.

Now this week we have Anne Moffat, the MP for East Lothian coming out with the comment that "proportional representation gave Germany Adolf Hitler and in Scotland to a lesser degree we've had the member for Banff and Buchan"."Now what in gods name is that all about. She even had the cheek to say that she had done nothing wrong. Making a comparison to Hitler is bad enough in any circumstance but to slag a system that they introduced is just pathetic. Maybe Anne the fact that the first past the post system gave us an unproportional number of labour mps for the number of votes cast for them suited you means it is not the best system. If she had the brains to look across Europe in places like Scandanavia and Netherlands she would see that since the war these countries have always been run by coalitions made up of various parties, none of whom had enough seats to form a government themselves, and I cannot see any major problems in the ways these countries have been run. Sour grapes maybe Anne.

Then I hear the news that BP has abandoned plans for the £500m UK carbon capture power plant in Aberdeenshire, blaming Westminster delays over support. WTF, is going on. Not only would it have created over 1,000 jobs but it would have been a world leader in the production of carbon free electricity from hydrogen, for once Scotland would be leading the world in a green issue. Or is the fact that the Government is so hell bent on new nuclear power plants that in despite of their so called green credentials they really dont care.

Never has such an ego driven bunch been allowed to run or ruin a country - and we still have Tony's olympics overspend to be faced with in the future.

Ah, rant over - now for a bacon roll and mug of tea :)
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Re: Labour Party

Postby Beachcomber » Fri May 25, 2007 7:58 am

Wee Toon Ajax wrote:Never has such an ego driven bunch been allowed to run or ruin a country - and we still have Tony's olympics overspend to be faced with in the future.

Ah, rant over - now for a bacon roll and mug of tea :)


No doubt they'll be digging deeply into the Lottery Fund once more to rebuild the still smoking remains of the Cutty Sark, another 'National Treasure' to which only a small fraction of the population have a realistic chance of access.
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Postby Dunc » Fri May 25, 2007 9:02 am

They will probably be in deep thought on how to increase their own wages soon ....as usual.The more I think on this lot (all parties) I'm getting the idea that a Military Coup is not an impossibility in the future even in this country.

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Postby general jack o'niell » Fri May 25, 2007 10:47 am

even from a distance you seem to have a better understanding of whats been going on here than a great many people who live here. funny that the news that there were far far less council ballots spoiled than msp ballots has been buried. prior to that the two paper system was blamed for the high number of spoilt ballots. since the news didn't suit jack the labour press chose not to give it any coverage, added to that all thestuff about donations, then it turns out that there was very little difference between monies donated to SNP and Labour during thesame period, not widely reported, didn't suit the spin doctors.

G is the type we should be encouraging to come back to scotland, part of the cream that went overseas to work, leaving behind the semi skimmed, soya based latte generation.

your country needs you, and more like you.

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Postby Wee Toon Ajax » Fri May 25, 2007 1:29 pm

General Jack

thank you for the kind words - much appreciated. Maybe one day I will return to Scotland, hope so anyway but at moment enjoying life where I am. One of the reasons for leaving in the first place is basically the same as what has become of the Labour Party, offices where I worked were full of egotistical, careerist, back stabbers who were out to gain as much for themselves whilst losing site of the reason for being employed there in the first place.

Anyway heading to Germany in the next hour for a wedding, not mine alas, but on Monday will add a little bit about my thoughts on Joke McConnell and the Glasgow Commonwealth bid, Douglas Alexander ( what is the purpose of this guy apart from wasting oxygen :) ), Nicol Stevens, Ming Campbell and anything else which gets on my goat before I have breakfast :P
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Postby Old Willham » Fri May 25, 2007 9:45 pm

It is to my eternal shame that I concede that I was one of the dunderheeds that voted for Tony and his cronies to get them in to power in the first place (won't make that mistake again!!!). Blair is a despicable, self-serving, half-witted, egotistical, smug, murdering toad and is undoubtedly amongst the worst leaders this country has ever had. His Cabinet is full of similar self-serving Bas@$&ds including the most obnoxious and odious Scotsman ever to walk the face of the Earth in John Reid. All men in the labour party are happy to trade in their beliefs for a few extra votes and all the Women speak in that condescending "I know better than you" way that Margaret Thatcher had down to a tee.

I pray for a modern day Guy Fawks to rid us of these despisable rats.
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Postby Sweltered » Sat May 26, 2007 1:00 am

Willham, do you think it would have been any better if any of the others who stood for leader when John Smith died, had been successful. Do you think Prescott or Margaret Beckett would have been better, I doubt it. Don't get me wrong , Blair has been horrendous, but Prescott would have been worse. The tories would have been back in power long ago. Worst thing that happened to politics in Britain at that time was the death of John Smith, followed by the decision made by Robin Cook not to stand as his successor. Either would have made a better PM than Blair, by a long way.
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Postby ionnsaigh » Wed May 30, 2007 8:13 am

I remember in my youth supporting the Labour Party, I don't know where this influence stemmed from as my parents weren't particularly political , however from a fairly young age I associated with the values of this party.
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The Labour party lay claim in yesteryear , to the defence and liberation of the exploited masses. I've always had the misfortune to live in Labour controlled areas. Cranhill is as good an example as any of the many places that witnessed a type of Social dysfunction that grew rapidly in the fertile conditions of unemployment and poverty.
Yet the Labour Party always won the Election , it is akin to, slapping someone on the face, then asking you vote for them .
One thing for sure they are a bunch of bad losers, with Brown refusing to acknowledge the democratic elected Government of Scotland. enough enough enough.
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Postby Wee Toon Ajax » Wed May 30, 2007 11:41 am

ionnsaigh wrote:Yet the Labour Party always won the Election , it is akin to, slapping someone on the face, then asking you vote for them .
One thing for sure they are a bunch of bad losers, with Brown refusing to acknowledge the democratic elected Government of Scotland. enough enough enough.


My god times are a changing Ionnsaigh, me and you in agreement about something :wink: :?

As I stated in my original post the more I read about the Labour Party the more I despair at their arrogance. Every day there seems to be new examples appearing in the press. And its good to see that the Scotsman newspaper along with their cohoots in the Labour party are still failing to recognise that in a democratic election the SNP actually won the most seats. Get over it and lets get on doing what the parliament is there for - running the government for the benefit of the Scottish people and not your own selfish egos. I actually wonder if the Labour Party and the so called media in Scotland actually take some sort of pleasure in running down the people of our nation.

Two examples this week are the vetoing of nuclear power stations and the upgrading of the A9 / Edinburgh tram scheme.

According to newspaper reports, ALEX Salmond should be stripped of his powers to block nuclear power stations north of the Border, according to Labour MPs who want Scotland's veto over atomic energy handed back to Westminster. They claim the nation's energy supply and thousands of jobs should not be left at the mercy of an "irresponsible and prejudiced" Scottish National Party administration in Holyrood, which took power with a pledge to make Scotland nuclear-free.

My god these people should have a good look in the mirror. Why during their 8 years in power was this veto not handed back to Westminster. No, now that the people of Scotland have kicked their sorry arses and voted in another party opposed to their policies then that right should be handed back to their paymasters in Westminster. Why not go the full hog and strip the Scottish parliament of every power it has and hand it back to Westminster until those naughty Scottish people doff their caps at that wonderful party who ruled us so wonderfully for the last 50 years and made us the envy of the world. I mean look the whole world stands back and admires our wonderful health record, the envy of every civilised nation or our wonderful economic record.

Now I read that Labour are opposed to the 600 million pound upgrading of the A9 to dual carriageway status as it will mean that the proposed Leith - Edinburgh tram route might be scrapped. Now what may I ask is more important - the upgrading of a road where 80 people have been killed in the last 5 years, a road which is the lifeline of the people of the Highlands to the Central Belt both economically and for personal use or the creation of a tram scheme which is only going to benefit the few who will live in areas served on its route. Initial estimations are that the cost of the tram scheme might be as twice as high as the initial cost of 600 million. Now there is a surprise there - the Labour Party underestimating the cost of schemes - never happened before. Apart from of course the Millenium Dome, the building of the Scottish Parliament, the cost of bringing the Olympics to London. Oh and forgot the one billion that the Labour Executive wasted on setting up quangos all over the country. Now would anybody honestly trust this mob with running a tuck shop in the school never mind the purse string of the country.

Even more appalling to me was the reporting by the Scotsman who in their report consistently mention in their report that the A9 runs through three SNP constituencies as if that was the only reason behind the decision. Never mind the fact that for years the peoples of the Highlands have been asking for an upgrade. The Labour Party and Scotsman should go and buy an atlas and have a good look at a map of Scotland. They might actually see that Scotland actually extends beyond the Central Belt and after years of negligence by them their might be an executive in charge who might look at implementing policies which will benefit the whole country instead of the area running between Edinburgh and Glasgow.
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Postby Sweltered » Wed May 30, 2007 12:08 pm

Well put Gordon. Having driven the A9 more times than I care to remember, it definately needs upgrading. If this stretch of road, with its wee stretches of dual carriageway here and there, had been between Glasgow & Edinburgh, it would have been sorted long ago. While a tram system in Edinburgh would be nice, it's hardly a necessity, an improved A9 is. The number of lorries on that road is rediculous, with no way past them drivers get frustrated and take risks, causing accidents. This should be beyond politics, and the behaviour of the Labour party recently has only reinforced my opinion of politicians.

I still can't believe the Labour party have responded with a "it's my ball and I'm going home" defence.

As you said, complete disregard for the wishes of the people of Scotland.
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Postby general jack o'niell » Wed May 30, 2007 12:31 pm

are we going to need to take up arms to defend our democratically elected government from the ongoing tyranny of british rule?

surely we could just give them twelve points at eurovision every year to make them happy?

like sweltered i grew up listening to the weekly sunday morning political debates between the "tory/scottish nat" and one of the staunchest most respected local labour supporters theres ever been, this was during the wilson/heath /wilson/callaghan/ thatcher years and cemented my allegience to independence.

now we've finally overturned the "legalities" of the original seventies devolution vote is it not about time we, as i heard one first time SNP voter say "give the Nats a go, they canna be any worse!!" i won't settle for excuses in three years time prior to the next election that it will take five more years to undo the damage caused by labour, that can be done with the stroke of a pen, my pen, your pen, every eligible voter in scotland's pen.

damn but i wish tam dayell was a Nat, he'd have kicked wee jacks erse ah the way back tae lamlash
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Postby Wee Toon Ajax » Wed May 30, 2007 12:47 pm

Sweltered

The Labour Party are doing themselves no favours by the way they are currently behaving. In fact I think Salmond might have learned something from the Labour Governments of 1966 and 1974 where both were elected with minority number of seats and in the first few months of government proposed a number of populist policies which were rejected by the opposition. The then Labour Government called fresh general elections where they were returned with an increased number of MPs. I would not be surprised if this happens in Scotland because with both the Labour Party and Lib Dems in disarray and acting like spoiled brats to put it mildly, then Salmond is smart enough to realise that the SNP would definitely increase the number of seats that they hold if a fresh election was called.

With Labour having been in power in Scotland in the regions and the parliament since its inception I actually shudder to think of the levels of corruption and back handers which have been passed down over the years and in particular the last 8 years with McConnell and his cohorts from North Lanarkshire in charge. Salmond in one of his first jobs as First Minister I think did something very clever. He re-appointed Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini as a member of the Scottish government and its legal adviser, as well as Scotland's chief prosecutor but exempted her from the cabinet thus ensuring that she is independent from the political process. This`was quite a smart move because I honestly believe that one of the reasons the Labour Party as a whole are acting like spoiled brats is that once somebody starts digging in to a lot of what happened in the previous 8 years a whole big bag of keech is going to emerge. Thus by ensuring that the Lord Advocate is not part of the cabinet then any investigations can be carried out independently and not to be seen at the behest of an SNP led administration.

Now god knows how the SNP led administration will carry out their duties and if it will be the benefit for the country but if at least they can make the whole political process at Holyrood and throughout Scotland more transparent then they will have done the country a massive favour. Scotland for too many years it appears to me has been governed both locally and nationally by politicians who were not interested in serving the country but were motivated by their own greed and anything that makes politicians more accountable to the people can only be a good thing.
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Postby Wee Toon Ajax » Thu May 31, 2007 12:52 am

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Couple of wee links for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icf3hnQND94

http://www.theherald.co.uk/politics/new ... 81.0.0.php

What can you really say - I would love to know what the guys who formed the Labour Party make of this pair - beyond words if you ask me.
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Postby Sweltered » Thu May 31, 2007 1:22 am

Are they even aware how rediculous they look. Labour has had it's numpties of the past, Micheal Foot and Jim Callaghan were embarrassments, Kinnock was, well Kinnock, but this lot :shock:

Bevin, Shinwell et al must be spinning jeest aboot noo
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Postby Old Willham » Thu May 31, 2007 10:07 am

Just shows you how the World has changed in such a short time....the Prime Minister of Great Britain is now a bigger chum of Colonel Gaddafi (axis of evil anyone??) than he is of the first Minister of Scotland. It must be embarrassing where your only friend is an International terrorist with the blood of thousands of innocent people on his hands....but I suppose Gaddafi will just have to put up with him.
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