The politics behind submarines and Trident

[Ross]

Aye and its a can owe worms that I'm not gettin into, its hard enough havin to spend around four months plus of each year inside a big black can without havin to justify the reasons why the government via the military decide to put it there.

[ionnsaigh]

Hoopoe

I agree that this country (Scotland) has a thin veneer of Democracy- That elected Politicians keep regurgitating. I would argue that the current system is more akin to a aristocracy-were the (best people) rule- vote for me vote for me.
I can't except the American model as being in anyway superior in real terms- The election of the Republican Bush is a classical example of the fraudulent abuse of a system that leaves nothing to be desired.
By Democracy I mean something that exists outside any government and is therefore sovereign- something that can be used by everyone on this Earth if change be required- we don't have to rely on a vote to change things. People Power can work in terms of forcing change ( Poll Tax) . Aye your right we as a people are mere chattels bowing to an English Crown- not that a Scottish one would be any better. Perhaps the time has come to invoke real change for the People of Scotland. Under the present Economic system, a third of our People live in poverty. I find this completely unacceptable and contrary to a Civilized Society and the collective culture of Celtic People in general- if there's one of us poor - then we are all poor. The power of change lies in the hands of the People- If the People of Kintyre refused to pay there Council Tax- say for example as a protest against poor expensive transport - no boat- no general Hospital - no council house building - high rents a Police Force that appears to lack accountability- you name it, if everyone refused to pay , how long would it take the Authorities to act?
The English Army would be patrolling the Longrow- however at the end of the day the People would win.

[Jeanette]

if there's one of us poor - then we are all poor.

Plenty of jobs at the Call Centre Still looking for folk with smeddum.

[ionnsaigh]

Plenty of jobs at the Call Centre Still looking for folk with smeddum.[/quote]

Poor job-poor work-poor pay-poor conditions- poor prospects-poor poor people.

[Jeanette]

Poor job-poor work-poor pay-poor conditions- poor prospects-poor poor people.

You know all that to be true?


Your name, ionnsaigh is irish gaelic for "attack" Could you not find something in Scots gaelic or has "bubbly" moved to "that dear green place"

[Bruce]

Your name, ionnsaigh is irish gaelic for "attack"

That explains the tone of some of his comments!

[ionnsaigh]

Ceilteach-Eireannach-bun-os-cionn

[Bobbie En Tejas]

And here I thought you were a teenage girl full of angst and all the answers to the world, Mick.

[Beachcomber]

And here I thought you were a teenage girl full of angst and all the answers to the world

Funnily enough so did I.

It's a strange world.

[Sweltered]

1. Aye yer right they were USSR Missiles aimed at Kintyre.
2. The Democratic rights of anyone regardless of the respective constitutions remains- be they Citizen or Subject.

Ionnsaigh, we don't really live in a democracy in the sense that the US citizens do. Ours is a constitutional monarchy.

Subjects are chattels of Crown and Country, and subjugated accordingly.

LOL, if memory serves, and I know I'm probably wrong, but the last monarch to excercise the veto was Victoria, and even that may be an urban myth. She refused to sign the law making lesbianism illegal, because she didn't believe women would do such a thing. The monarch would never use any of the power she/he has. Might lose the old civil list.

The USA is not the land of the free people think it is, the constitution is not worth the paper it's written on. Look up the patriot act!

[Bruce]

And here I thought you were a teenage girl full of angst and all the answers to the world, Mick.

ionnsaigh is a bloke? wow the world never ceases to amaze me... well actually it does, but someone with that amount of pent up frustration can only be a man in a woman's body (or vice versa!)

[ionnsaigh]

ionnsaigh is a bloke? wow the world never ceases to amaze me... well actually it does, but someone with that amount of pent up frustration can only be a man in a woman's body (or vice versa!)[/quote]

Pent up frustration-now there's a thing
vice versa an versa vice
makes you think -not once but twice

Anti Irish it seems tae me
nae many friends across the sea
Bruce the Brit- Brit the Bruce

No like Wuman - or Man tae
you the one who likes a say
did yer Da dress up in yer mammies skirt

[Hoopoe]

Please don't feed the troll.

[Bruce]

Not even to the sharks?

[Hoopoe]

Wouldn't want ta give the sharks an indigestion now, would you?