Public Meeting

[Sweltered]

we won, we beat Thatcher- we being the ordinary folk, not the Politicians- rather the wee wuman up the sters.

What did you win? How is still iving in the 80's and 90's and still fighting "Thatcher" winning? First person jailed for the poll tax, good for you. It certainly seems to have brought you happiness, you seem like such a cheery chap.

[bubbly jock]

Not reading the newspapers you will have missed the large spread on Mr Sheridan embracing oor wee Peter in his time of need. It was on the front page of the N.o.W. yesterday. Not that I read that rubbish but it's hard to ignore as you're walking in Asda's door.

Dark days ahead in Camelot??

bubbly

[ionnsaigh]

we won, we beat Thatcher- we being the ordinary folk, not the Politicians- rather the wee wuman up the sters.

What did you win? How is still iving in the 80's and 90's and still fighting "Thatcher" winning? First person jailed for the poll tax, good for you. It certainly seems to have brought you happiness, you seem like such a cheery chap.

The overthrow of the Thatcher regime was achieved by all who refused to pay the Poll Tax. I live for the present, I own nothing, as far as being the first person to be jailed for the Poll Tax-so what- who cares -it is just a statement of fact no more no less. The Government have continued to harass me and my Family for over Twelve years now- our war was never declared it has persisted until now and I wish to become a member of society again, as we have won the war I demand that the hostilities come to a peaceful closure. I at this point in my life have never been happier one of those benefits of growing older.

[ionnsaigh]

Not reading the newspapers you will have missed the large spread on Mr Sheridan embracing oor wee Peter in his time of need. It was on the front page of the N.o.W. yesterday. Not that I read that rubbish but it's hard to ignore as you're walking in Asda's door.

Dark days ahead in Camelot??

bubbly

Sorry I dont know who oor wee Peter is.

[John S]

Dark days ahead in Camelot??

Now Gordon Brown is embracing Mrs Thatcher!! read all about it in the Hootsmon link below

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1362442006

[Trapper]

Truth is I feel more "at home" in America these days - I love thier can do culture and the fact that if you dont get off your ass your gonna starve mentality. By and large people work hard there and we are now looked down on culturally as well as commercially

That would be the 'united states of america' I take it. The country which has the worst infant mortality rate in the developed world, the worst literacy rate in the developed world, and where the lowest earners are living on less than in most developing countries. Another interesting thing is you can tell who is in that part of the population ( lowest earners) mostly by the colour of thier skin. Thats sounds far more culturally advanced than this country.

[Sweltered]

Truth is I feel more "at home" in America these days - I love thier can do culture and the fact that if you dont get off your ass your gonna starve mentality. By and large people work hard there and we are now looked down on culturally as well as commercially

That would be the 'united states of america' I take it. The country which has the worst infant mortality rate in the developed world, the worst literacy rate in the developed world, and where the lowest earners are living on less than in most developing countries. Another interesting thing is you can tell who is in that part of the population ( lowest earners) mostly by the colour of thier skin. Thats sounds far more culturally advanced than this country.

I live here, and from my experience, people on low incomes, in a great many cases, have themselves to blame. There are jobs available, for those who want to work. The work ethic over here is appalling. I saw a picture recently showing man, not a homeless man, he lived in a trailer park, standing with a sign saying "need food". A sad state of affairs you'll agree. However, he was standing beside a McDonalds, which had a "Now Hiring" sign. He just didn't want to work. These people on low incomes, usually have a cigarette in one hand and a cellphone in the other. I've seen them in Walmart buying a bag of crisps for their kids lunch, and $40 playstation game for themselves. Bill Cosby had it right, Stay in School, Don't get married till over 21 and don't have kids you cant support. KIds just drop out of highschool and expect to get a good job. Not going to happen. A highschool diploma here is a big big thing. These people are their own worst enemy.

PLease note, at no time did I mention colour or race. The poorest county in the country is predominantly white actually.

Also in the UK, moslem men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. People over here look down on Britain as becoming Islamasized (their view not mine). A fact borne out since the 5th most popular name for a boy in England last year was Mohammed (including all 12 spellings). The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your arse and work.

But what do I know, I only live here.

[Christian]

Truth is I feel more "at home" in America these days - I love thier can do culture and the fact that if you dont get off your ass your gonna starve mentality. By and large people work hard there and we are now looked down on culturally as well as commercially

That would be the 'united states of america' I take it. The country which has the worst infant mortality rate in the developed world, the worst literacy rate in the developed world, and where the lowest earners are living on less than in most developing countries. Another interesting thing is you can tell who is in that part of the population ( lowest earners) mostly by the colour of thier skin. Thats sounds far more culturally advanced than this country.

I live here, and from my experience, people on low incomes, in a great many cases, have themselves to blame. There are jobs available, for those who want to work. The work ethic over here is appalling. I saw a picture recently showing man, not a homeless man, he lived in a trailer park, standing with a sign saying "need food". A sad state of affairs you'll agree. However, he was standing beside a McDonalds, which had a "Now Hiring" sign. He just didn't want to work. These people on low incomes, usually have a cigarette in one hand and a cellphone in the other. I've seen them in Walmart buying a bag of crisps for their kids lunch, and $40 playstation game for themselves. Bill Cosby had it right, Stay in School, Don't get married till over 21 and don't have kids you cant support. KIds just drop out of highschool and expect to get a good job. Not going to happen. A highschool diploma here is a big big thing. These people are their own worst enemy.

PLease note, at no time did I mention colour or race. The poorest county in the country is predominantly white actually.

Also in the UK, moslem men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. People over here look down on Britain as becoming Islamasized (their view not mine). A fact borne out since the 5th most popular name for a boy in England last year was Mohammed (including all 12 spellings). The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your ar$e and work.

But what do I know, I only live here.

In NL, 1/16(1 million) of the people is muslim. Many people are scared by that. It is true that under immigrants, unemployment rates are higher.

Though, having seen "Bowling for Columbine" and "Supersize me", I don't mind not living in the US.

[Sweltered]

Truth is I feel more "at home" in America these days - I love thier can do culture and the fact that if you dont get off your ass your gonna starve mentality. By and large people work hard there and we are now looked down on culturally as well as commercially

That would be the 'united states of america' I take it. The country which has the worst infant mortality rate in the developed world, the worst literacy rate in the developed world, and where the lowest earners are living on less than in most developing countries. Another interesting thing is you can tell who is in that part of the population ( lowest earners) mostly by the colour of thier skin. Thats sounds far more culturally advanced than this country.

I live here, and from my experience, people on low incomes, in a great many cases, have themselves to blame. There are jobs available, for those who want to work. The work ethic over here is appalling. I saw a picture recently showing man, not a homeless man, he lived in a trailer park, standing with a sign saying "need food". A sad state of affairs you'll agree. However, he was standing beside a McDonalds, which had a "Now Hiring" sign. He just didn't want to work. These people on low incomes, usually have a cigarette in one hand and a cellphone in the other. I've seen them in Walmart buying a bag of crisps for their kids lunch, and $40 playstation game for themselves. Bill Cosby had it right, Stay in School, Don't get married till over 21 and don't have kids you cant support. KIds just drop out of highschool and expect to get a good job. Not going to happen. A highschool diploma here is a big big thing. These people are their own worst enemy.

PLease note, at no time did I mention colour or race. The poorest county in the country is predominantly white actually.

Also in the UK, moslem men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. People over here look down on Britain as becoming Islamasized (their view not mine). A fact borne out since the 5th most popular name for a boy in England last year was Mohammed (including all 12 spellings). The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your ar$e and work.

But what do I know, I only live here.

In NL, 1/16(1 million) of the people is muslim. Many people are scared by that. It is true that under immigrants, unemployment rates are higher.

Though, having seen "Bowling for Columbine" and "Supersize me", I don't mind not living in the US.

GOOD GRIEF!!!

All Dutch people live in windmills, wear clogs and the girls have pigtails, its true I saw it in a picture once.

You can't judge a country by 2 very biased movies. I like Micheal Moore, I thought Bowling for Columbine was excellent and raised a lot of questions, but it was very biased and not representative at all. Supersize me was pretty much fabricated btw.

[Christian]

That's true. Like all Scots wear skirts.

Well, someone's opinion is very much being made up by how the media presents things. Many people here have a very negative image of the USA, because of the war in Iraq, secret CIA camps etc. What most people forget is that over 3000 Americans lost their lives because of the terrorist attacks. Also, it were the Americans who were descisive in two world wars, and even liberated most of Europe. People should still be very grateful to America, because thousands of their countrymen died, to liberate countries they didn't even know.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

The work ethic over here is appalling. .........The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your ar$e and work.

But what do I know, I only live here.

You live in the US and have been here long enough to have a valid viewpoint. I agree with a lot of what you say. Try offering someone a job who is standing there with an "I will work for food" sign. Funny thing is, they are standing out there on a hot street corner for 8 hours, putting in a full days "work" and probably coming away with way more money an hour than I am! Of course they don't want to work. It would lower their wages!

I do disagree about the work ethic. I don't know about present statistics, because I can only see as of 2001 (but have also seen the same statistic in 1999), but Americans work the most hours of industrialized countries with the least time off. We aren't as productive, but we're probably too damn tired! None of my kids are are rocket scientists or doctors, but if they are requested to work 7 days a week double shifts, they'll do it, mostly because they feel a sense of obligation and part of a team that needs to get the job done. They learned that from both their mother and their father. Maybe I just have strange kids.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Sorry, duplicate post.

[Christian]

Well, working 7 days a week doesn't sound very attractive to me really. I also want to have some time to live.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Pros and cons about every society, Christian. Everyone has to work, you might as well find work you really enjoy and can be proud of. That way you don't feel like you are working your life away for nothing. And sometimes "free time" means time that someone is sitting on a couch watching tv. Why is that better if someone doesn't mind staying and doing something productive? As long as it is their choice.

[Sweltered]

The work ethic over here is appalling. .........The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your ar$e and work.

But what do I know, I only live here.

You live in the US and have been here long enough to have a valid viewpoint. I agree with a lot of what you say. Try offering someone a job who is standing there with an "I will work for food" sign. Funny thing is, they are standing out there on a hot street corner for 8 hours, putting in a full days "work" and probably coming away with way more money an hour than I am! Of course they don't want to work. It would lower their wages!

I do disagree about the work ethic. I don't know about present statistics, because I can only see as of 2001 (but have also seen the same statistic in 1999), but Americans work the most hours of industrialized countries with the least time off. We aren't as productive, but we're probably too damn tired! None of my kids are are rocket scientists or doctors, but if they are requested to work 7 days a week double shifts, they'll do it, mostly because they feel a sense of obligation and part of a team that needs to get the job done. They learned that from both their mother and their father. Maybe I just have strange kids.

Bobbie

You are confusing being at work, and actually working, 2 completely different things. Just because you turn up for work every day does not mean you actually do any work. I work with both types. Some who work very hard, and some who bitch about how much work they have, but do very little. And guess what, they get paid the same. This has been my experience wherever I have worked, and my wife has the same opinion.