Public Meeting

[Bobbie En Tejas]

And the ones who don't do anything except bitch should be shown the door. I can't abide that type. They bring everyone down.

[Christian]

I know, but as for me speaking, I would get mad without enough free time. I worked at a brewery, and after 5 days, I was really glad I had weekend!

I agree every society has pros and cons, and as I have lived my whole life here, it's hard to judge another soc.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Christian, and to think some would spend all their free time in that same brewery. Its all in the perspective

[Christian]

Well, it was great fun indeed Didn't drink too much though, I didn't get payed for drinking

[John S]

Getting back to the Thread, a big thanks to all those who came to the meeting. Great to hear from you.

[ionnsaigh]

Also in the UK, moslem men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. People over here look down on Britain as becoming Islamasized (their view not mine). A fact borne out since the 5th most popular name for a boy in England last year was Mohammed (including all 12 spellings). The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your ar$e and work.


What is your view then?, as you seem to put their view over pretty well - backed by facts. Do you see England as becoming Islamasized? So in the UK Muslim Men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. Do you -as this suggests- think Muslim Men are lazy? As you state " If you want to better yourself get off your backside and work". This view has certain features that must be explored before one can agree or otherwise. A view that lacks any understanding and love for your fellow man, one that blames the person, has little in the way of human compassion. You can argue that in your unending competitive race to better yourself, is in itself a singular view that pits one against all others. If as you say that Muslim Men have one of the highest rates of unemployment in the UK- then what are they in the USA. Employment is a contract between Two main participants the Employer and the employment candidate. The outcome lies squarely at the hands of the former.If the Employer happened to share these same view as your good self then why would you employ a lazy Muslim Man named Mohammad whatever way it happens to be spelt. The more I read your words the more I think of the power of the Capitalist American propaganda machine. To me it appears Racist and part of the general fear that grips a large majority of the citizen of the USA- from here across the water it appears an extreme form of Anti Islamic rhetoric, the seed sown by those that ultimately control. A hand that is white, right wing, christian, and evangelistic by nature. On a personal level I find your comment disgracefully insulting to the many extremely hard working Muslim Men some of whom I would call friends.
Peace be with you.

[Christian]

In NL, there are people who want anonymous sollicitation, so the employer only knows the age and CV etc. They do not know their name, and how they look.

[ionnsaigh]

In NL, there are people who want anonymous sollicitation, so the employer only knows the age and CV etc. They do not know their name, and how they look.

Up to the point of interview of course.

[Bruce]

So in the UK Muslim Men have one of the highest rates of unemployment...

If this IS the case then wouldn't it be better to ask why... is it the fault of the Muslim's or is it a problem with the potential employers? If it is the latter then obviously the whole equal rights thing isn't working as it is meant to and should maybe be enforced more! However, if it is the former then you have to look at the other groups of unemployed as the Muslim's have one of the highest rates of unemployment, but not necessarily the highest rate! Many different people are considered work shy and lazy... and yet their neighbours, even kin, might be the hardest working people out there!

[Sweltered]

Also in the UK, moslem men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. People over here look down on Britain as becoming Islamasized (their view not mine). A fact borne out since the 5th most popular name for a boy in England last year was Mohammed (including all 12 spellings). The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your ar$e and work.


What is your view then?, as you seem to put their view over pretty well - backed by facts. Do you see England as becoming Islamasized? So in the UK Muslim Men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. Do you -as this suggests- think Muslim Men are lazy? As you state " If you want to better yourself get off your backside and work". This view has certain features that must be explored before one can agree or otherwise. A view that lacks any understanding and love for your fellow man, one that blames the person, has little in the way of human compassion. You can argue that in your unending competitive race to better yourself, is in itself a singular view that pits one against all others. If as you say that Muslim Men have one of the highest rates of unemployment in the UK- then what are they in the USA. Employment is a contract between Two main participants the Employer and the employment candidate. The outcome lies squarely at the hands of the former.If the Employer happened to share these same view as your good self then why would you employ a lazy Muslim Man named Mohammad whatever way it happens to be spelt. The more I read your words the more I think of the power of the Capitalist American propaganda machine. To me it appears Racist and part of the general fear that grips a large majority of the citizen of the USA- from here across the water it appears an extreme form of Anti Islamic rhetoric, the seed sown by those that ultimately control. A hand that is white, right wing, christian, and evangelistic by nature. On a personal level I find your comment disgracefully insulting to the many extremely hard working Muslim Men some of whom I would call friends.
Peace be with you.

OK, firstly, where did I say Moslem men were lazy? I said they had they a high unemployment rate. The lazy assumption is yours. The view of many over here is that Europe is beingIslamacised, and will be so within 20 yesrs. My view is that it will take longer, but will happen. I have the fact because I wanted to refute the comment. Unfortunately, the figures seem to be confirming it. You also seem to be accusing me of racism, "If the employer happened to share these same view (sic) as your good self" How dare you. I have always believed that you are some psuedo intellectual, but tyi actually reading what I have written. One of my best friends is Moslem, we spent thanksgiving with her family last year, and found them to be extemely nice people. You seem to have blinkers on about the world and assume that everyone does not live up to your wacky communist ideals. You don't seem to grasp that communism didn't work.

And exactly which comment do you find insulting? The one YOU assumed? THAT says more about your views, not mine. Does it not say that subconsciously YOU think Moslem men are lazy, because I didn't say it, nor implied it. I was speaking about the work ethic of Americans, and specifically said that I was not speaking about race or clolour, but you didn't include that in your quote! So much for your "no censorship".

Try actually reading what other people post, I know it terrifies you in case something actually changes your mind about something, or that you find that perhaps your wack little communist ideals aren't workable, but at lest you will be informed.


Power to the people !
Wolfy Smith circa 1977

[ionnsaigh]

Also in the UK, moslem men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. People over here look down on Britain as becoming Islamasized (their view not mine). A fact borne out since the 5th most popular name for a boy in England last year was Mohammed (including all 12 spellings). The US is not the be all and end all (well it might be the cause of the end all) but you can't argue that there is more opportunity to "better" yourself here. If you actually want to get off your ar$e and work.


What is your view then?, as you seem to put their view over pretty well - backed by facts. Do you see England as becoming Islamasized? So in the UK Muslim Men have one of the highest rates of unemployment. Do you -as this suggests- think Muslim Men are lazy? As you state " If you want to better yourself get off your backside and work". This view has certain features that must be explored before one can agree or otherwise. A view that lacks any understanding and love for your fellow man, one that blames the person, has little in the way of human compassion. You can argue that in your unending competitive race to better yourself, is in itself a singular view that pits one against all others. If as you say that Muslim Men have one of the highest rates of unemployment in the UK- then what are they in the USA. Employment is a contract between Two main participants the Employer and the employment candidate. The outcome lies squarely at the hands of the former.If the Employer happened to share these same view as your good self then why would you employ a lazy Muslim Man named Mohammad whatever way it happens to be spelt. The more I read your words the more I think of the power of the Capitalist American propaganda machine. To me it appears Racist and part of the general fear that grips a large majority of the citizen of the USA- from here across the water it appears an extreme form of Anti Islamic rhetoric, the seed sown by those that ultimately control. A hand that is white, right wing, christian, and evangelistic by nature. On a personal level I find your comment disgracefully insulting to the many extremely hard working Muslim Men some of whom I would call friends.
Peace be with you.

OK, firstly, where did I say Moslem men were lazy? I said they had they a high unemployment rate. The lazy assumption is yours. The view of many over here is that Europe is beingIslamacised, and will be so within 20 yesrs. My view is that it will take longer, but will happen. I have the fact because I wanted to refute the comment. Unfortunately, the figures seem to be confirming it. You also seem to be accusing me of racism, "If the employer happened to share these same view (sic) as your good self" How dare you. I have always believed that you are some psuedo intellectual, but tyi actually reading what I have written. One of my best friends is Moslem, we spent thanksgiving with her family last year, and found them to be extemely nice people. You seem to have blinkers on about the world and assume that everyone does not live up to your wacky communist ideals. You don't seem to grasp that communism didn't work.

And exactly which comment do you find insulting? The one YOU assumed? THAT says more about your views, not mine. Does it not say that subconsciously YOU think Moslem men are lazy, because I didn't say it, nor implied it. I was speaking about the work ethic of Americans, and specifically said that I was not speaking about race or clolour, but you didn't include that in your quote! So much for your "no censorship".

Try actually reading what other people post, I know it terrifies you in case something actually changes your mind about something, or that you find that perhaps your wack little communist ideals aren't workable, but at lest you will be informed.


Power to the people !
Wolfy Smith circa 1977

" but you cant argue that there is more opportunity to better yourself here if you wanted to get off your arse and worked for it"
Your words not mine- your the one who blames the poor for being poor, your the one who shows no empathy to the dire circumstances of your fellow beings. So in your opinion that the UK is being slowly Islamised- what utter racist rubbish no more no less. Many Muslim families live in isolation and fear because of that very attitude. No I didn't bother to criticize your comments re; race and colour- as they are terms you use to attempt to justify your own shallow opinions. One of your best friends is Muslim, and you found them to be extremely nice, well why wouldnt they be - says more about your own previously held convictions.

[Bruce]

In many cases it is the fault of the poor for being poor - why should people that work to earn a reasonable living have to bother about the one's that choose not to? If they then are poor it is their own problem as there always seem to be jobs out there for them... but then many choose to get whatever hand-out the government is prepared to give them and some proceed to blow that money on cigarettes and alcohol... and it has nothing to do with religion - people of all races, religions, etc are as bad as each other!

[ionnsaigh]

In many cases it is the fault of the poor for being poor - why should people that work to earn a reasonable living have to bother about the one's that choose not to? If they then are poor it is their own problem as there always seem to be jobs out there for them... but then many choose to get whatever hand-out the government is prepared to give them and some proceed to blow that money on cigarettes and alcohol... and it has nothing to do with religion - people of all races, religions, etc are as bad as each other!

Oh well Bruce this speaks volumes on your poor poor opinion of people, as being bad as each other.

[dedalus]

Nice article in the Times yesterday about how the swedes are about to abandon thier socio-economic model for something a little more Thatch - cos - wait for it - too many people are taking the p!ss out of thier "18 months PATERNITY LEAVE" (note PATERNITY not MATERNITY) type system - who would have thought eh? - I for one am a little bit more inclined to vote for gordon now that his hair has bit more blue rinse in it. He seems to be sandbagging his more free market thinking until he is in power - hope so.

[John S]

You may not get an option to vote for Mr Broon unless you live in his constituency, he's Scottish ness is making him an electoral liability in a England which is becoming more nationalistic with every week that passes.