Fishermen with multimillion pound bank loans for boats KNEW what the quotas were, and KNEW exactly how much black they'd have to land to pay for it. They went into it with their eyes open.
Sad, but true!
Fishermen with multimillion pound bank loans for boats KNEW what the quotas were, and KNEW exactly how much black they'd have to land to pay for it. They went into it with their eyes open.

Sweltered wrote:big tony wrote:safe to say with hindsight from a safe distance
iceland recently impossed a zone in which they will hunt whales, funny thing is their waters come within about 40 miles of the scottish coast.
if its agood enough reason to invade iraq to ensure an oil supply, then its a good enough reason to blow french, spanish, danish, icelandic, russian and portuguese factory trawlers out of the water to ensure fish supplies.
i once visited a portuguese fish market on xmas day as the boats were landing, big 40m trawlers home from fishing off rockall, the size of the hake they were landing was no bigger than your finger, ( they had a security guard throw me out when i complained) and it's all the fault of scottish fishermen lying about their catches?
spain has less fishery officers than peterhead, spain, portugal and france still give grants for new builds while scottish boats are being broken up.
danish factory, industrial trawlers in the north sea hoover up everything in their path to feed their pigs so you can eat danish bacon?
some may lie for greed, but i'm sure an overdraft in high five figures and a bank loan for a million or two would make liars of us all.
i'm disappointed, poacher turned gamekeeper, turned judge and jury!!!!!
This is all true, but so is the fact that overfishing and lying about it by Scottish fisherman have been the cause of the apparent demise of the Haddock and Cod stocks. Peterhead was built on the backs of undersized Haddies. It's NOT the Spaniards or Portuguese or the Danes fault, sure they contributed to it, and yes the Spaniards don't police their fishery. When was the last time France or Spain submitted figures to Brussels, if ever. They submit estimates, which are about as accurate as the UK figures. Sh!te in Sh!te out.
Fishermen with multimillion pound bank loans for boats KNEW what the quotas were, and KNEW exactly how much black they'd have to land to pay for it. They went into it with their eyes open.
I know the guy who admitted scuttling his boat for the insurance, what was it 750,000? He was at the end of his tether, but he KNEW what he was getting into when he bought the boat.


EMDEE wrote:Apart from observations about the Scottish fishing industry, I think we are talking about a global issue, unless you are saying that the Scottish dimension is typical. If this is the case, then we have shot ourselves in the foot.
What about the wider global warming issue?


big tony wrote:seems some folk forget what paid for their claithes and shoes when they were growin up?
too young to remember three mile limits and quota restrictions in the clyde?
no much difference in my book, but then you never look at yir ain door



big tony wrote:spoken like a man that never worked a 100hr week and never knew where his next pound was coming from?
how he was going to pay the mortgage or the bank or his crew!!


big tony wrote:that is my point, you go on about greedy fishermen breaking rules and making illegal landings, i'm saying that things were no different in the clyde during the sixties where every day the rules were broken, every day was a battle against fishery protection boats to make a living, doesn't matter if it was for a few pounds or a million, its just the same, thats the world i was brought up in, i remember the stories about hiding trawl doors when the cutter was steaming over the horizon, i have charts with the three mile limit marked on them and if it hadn't been lifted then of course there wouldn't have been a fleet in the clyde by the mid seventies. in the fifties more than a few ended up down a pit to try and make a living, but of course that was before your time
if the CFP had never exsisted and things were the same, then ok, blame the fishermen, but as it does exsist and has done for over thirty years then i don't think you can lay the blame solely at the door of scottish fleet.
there are more foreign boats fishing british waters than there are scottish, every day, they don't land into british ports they don't record their catches, they're not policed as rigouresly as scottish boats in their own ports, and they don't play by the same rules when it comes to mesh sizes,fish sizes or days at sea. you blame what you saw, which as only a small part of the jigsaw.
can't seem to recall many fishery officers losing their lives doing their jobs in recent years?


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