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Re: The Ferry

Postby Sweltered » Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:42 am

Buzz Lightyear wrote:
Sheik Yir Erse wrote:3. Simple things to improve transport to and from Campbeltown? D'uh - some flights at the weekend would be a good start!



cant help agree here, the ferry is dead in the water, transfer the money & improve the infrastructure we already have, the airport is one big under utilised asset that everyone seems to be forgetting about & if we are not careful we may lose this also.


Ah but the tousists wouldn't see the shiny boat sailing in and out.

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Re: The Ferry

Postby Buzz Lightyear » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:02 pm

Sheik Yir Erse wrote:
4. What about some FAST 'passenger only' link to Glasgow or the Ayrshire coast? I'm sure you could get to Troon in less than an hour, and you're only 40 minutes on the train to Central Glasgow. If someone really thought about it you could probably buy 1 ticket to cover both parts of the journey (that might be an integrated transport policy?) Just think of leaving Campbeltown at 08:00 on Saturday morning and quite comfortably at Central station for 9:30. There's quite alot of golfers in Ayrshire - they might be interested in coming the other way?




Shaky,, we alreadyhave this to a certain degree with the kintyre express from the ayrshire side bringing golfers across, i am sure if it has/is/will be a sucess then it could & indeed should be expanded.
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Postby EMDEE » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:20 pm

I see that Military Asset Management Ltd., who appear to be likely to take over the base at RAF Machrihanish think that "reinstatement of the Campbeltown to Ballycastle ferry service would have a positive effect on their plans and would encourage more tourists to visit the area"

(Today's Courier)
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Postby Surfbored » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:10 am

The Ferry rears its ugly head again.

Consider this.

People want the Ferry to boost the local economy.

With the money that's already been blown doing up the harbour, if that had been put in a high interest bank account or investment, you could have pumped the equivalent of over £1 million pounds a year into the local economy for the next 2 or 3 decades at least.

You economic rocket scientists are now suggesting that we (the taxpayer) subsidise (thats more money going out) some non-essential service in a bid to boost the local economy.

Brains of Britian, I think not !!!
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Postby EMDEE » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:00 pm

Surfbored wrote:The Ferry rears its ugly head again.

Consider this.

People want the Ferry to boost the local economy.

With the money that's already been blown doing up the harbour, if that had been put in a high interest bank account or investment, you could have pumped the equivalent of over £1 million pounds a year into the local economy for the next 2 or 3 decades at least.

You economic rocket scientists are now suggesting that we (the taxpayer) subsidise (thats more money going out) some non-essential service in a bid to boost the local economy.

Brains of Britian, I think not !!!


I am a bit unclear as to exactly what you mean here. Are you for or against subsidising economic development?

Who are the "economic rocket scientists"?
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Postby Surfbored » Sat Nov 11, 2006 4:37 pm

Somebody must be a dab hand with a calculator ie. an economic rocket scientist :D

10s of millions have already been spent doing up the harbour. Nett result = not a whole lot. A lot of dredging, the new quay and slipway are spruced up and the town has a really expensive place to stash the xmas decorations.

Subsidies in the region of a million a year to run the service (maybe, is this speculation or fact or what)

Basically all this money is outlay. Just how much of an economic benefit to the town would such a service bring in in reality?

Don't get me wrong, my view is that the ferry has been tried (and failed) on that route. Links to Ayrshire might be a better way to go, or people may just have to eventually concede it's all been a costly failure .... and move on.
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Postby EMDEE » Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:25 pm

Didn't know that's what an economic rocket scientist is. :D

Whatever has been spent on the harbour infrastructure is indeed money down the drain if the developments and improvements are not being used in such a way that they give a worthwhile return on the investment.

It is quite normal for ferry services to be subsidised. Whether they are essential to a community or not is a matter of subjective opinion. They can be an aid to economic development. You quote the figure of £1m. This is not a lot of money in the wider scheme of things. It is the turnover of a relatively small retail business. Why should public money not be available for projects in Kintyre when it is available to other communities? There are a lot more profligate ways that public money is spent than this one.

So far as outlay is concerned, there can be no return on investment without outlay. It does not make sense to cancel a project because it is going to cost money. If this were the case, no project would ever go ahead. The feasibility of this project and its potential has already been looked at by the business community and seen in a favourable light.

The ferry has not "already been tried". Firstly, the service that Western Ferries ran to Red Bay in the 1970s suffered from being at the same time as the height of the "troubles" in Northern Ireland. Secondly, the service that ran more recently was no yardstick against which to judge the current proposal. It ran on a seasonal basis, summer only, and was therefore mainly going to attract touists and day trippers. My opinion at the time, and I am still of the same opinion, was that it was a waste of time, and a postponement of what was actually needed. It has merely given spurious ammunition to the "anti" lobby. Only an all year round service would be of any long term benefit to the communities on both sides of the North Channel.

As you will be aware, I have already had a protracted discussion with Sweltered on this subject, and am just responding to what you have said. I don't propose to go down that road again on this subject, as I have no vested interest other than my opinions.
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Postby campbeltownx » Sat Nov 11, 2006 7:00 pm

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I think your points are valid especially about the ferry not being tried or tested. I don't think everything was put into it to make it a success. Marketing was poor and it was seasonal. From my point of view it didn't affect sales as much as i thought it would. I'm sure if it did happen in the future and was done right it could make the impact we all hope it would. At the end of the day we only want what is best for the town.
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Postby Sweltered » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:49 pm

Please note that I've still not changed my mind, but as I have said before this dead horse is well and truly flogged.
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Postby EMDEE » Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:19 pm

Sweltered wrote:
EMDEE wrote:As you will be aware, I have already had a protracted discussion with Sweltered on this subject, and am just responding to what you have said. I don't propose to go down that road again on this subject, as I have no vested interest other than my opinions.


Please note that I've still not changed my mind, but as I have said before this dead horse is well and truly flogged.


I could have written that myself! :!: :)
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Postby Sweltered » Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:34 pm

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