Whites only?

[bill]

In the United Kingdom there is various Police Associations.Here are a few........

The Gay Police Association
The Jewish Police Association
The Asian Police Association
The Black Police Association
The Muslim Police Association
The Christian Police Association

No where can I find a White Police Association.

Of course that would be looked upon as a racist organisation.

It's a strange country we live in right enough.

[peaceseeker]

You bigoted scum. Shame on you.

[bill]

My oldest son has been a police officer for 12years and by no stretch of the imagination could he ever be labled as a bigot or racist,but he finds that he is being discriminated against by being in the majority.
If you can not have a white police association then why allow the others?
Simple enough question.

[peaceseeker]

Yes. I got you the first time. I was being 'ironic'.

I agree with your point totally.

[jimmy]

In what way is your son being discriminated against?

[peaceseeker]

In what way is your son being discriminated against?

What Bill is saying is that his son is is not being as well catered for as the minority groups he mentioned. Profoundly, this is actually inverted racism, a concept that has yet to be grasped by Joe Public and the do gooding powers that be.

[jimmy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a certain police force was found to be institutionally racist not so long ago, and I,m sure you don't have to look far to find stories of sexism and bigotry also. Surely this would make it necessary for minorities within a predominantly white, and possibly racist, bigoted and sexist organisation to organise themselves to ensure they are represented and treated fairly.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

There should be no place in the police department for racism, either to each other or to the community. How can a police officer objectively do his job when he has it in his mind that one faction of the community is inferior.

In San Antonio we have had the Black Police Officers Association and the Hispanic Police Officers Association (the city is 68% Hispanic).. I see the irony, Bill.

[ionnsaigh]

bill
Very interesting groups, out of the six associations you could have,
A white police officer in four.
A black police officer in four.
A gay police officer in six.
A jewish police officer in four.
A muslim police officer in four.
A christian police officer in four.
A asian police officer in five.

From this it would appear that there is more choice if your gay- as you list only one association that is based entirely in terms of colour, the black association. Why do you- and perhaps your son- feel the need for a white association, begs the question. A white association would be a reactionary right wing step that would serve no purpose other than affirming ones colour through association. without the racist conditions that led to the formation of a black officers association.

You say that both you and your son feel that the police force is working in a state of restraint and in a fettered fashion, when it comes to booking an asian or black, and would rather book the white as it would prove less hazard less without the accusation of racism being involved. I wonder how black officers feel about this, do they have the same dilemma, if they did then it could be argued that they themselves are racist. If your son is acting in this manner, then he has failed to carry out his public duty and should be immediately dismissed from the force. Sounds a bit harsh I know, we as a society can't afford racist police officers. However it is well worth mentioning that class discrimination is practised by the police force.

[Sweltered]

Was that the sound of a point being missed?

[peaceseeker]

Was that the sound of a point being missed?

Yes. I believe it was.

[bill]

Yes Ionnsaigh has missed the point entirely.
As most of you have gathered,it is not that my son wishes to have a white only association,but that he fails to see the need to have seperate associations.
As we all know police forces throughout the country are weeding out all forms of racism and sexism,so to actually encourage ethnic groups to diversify will only cause ill feeling.By the very nature of their job, for the police to be effective in their fight against crime, they must be united.
It is well known that the police, like other organisations, have quotas to meet in the percentage of ethnic minorities in the workforce.So when you may have ten candidates for one position,and one of the ten is from an ethnic minority then he/she has a distinct but unfair advantage.
Going back to October of this year, when a Metropolitan police officer of the Muslim faith refused guard duty at the Israeli embassy on moral grounds.Carry on down this road where officers can pick and choose, where will it end?Irrespective of colour or creed there must be a level playing field for all.

All police officers have my utmost respect for the job that they have all volunteered to do.I know I would not have the patience or fortitude to do so.

[daftdog]

All police officers have my utmost respect for the job that they have all volunteered to do.I know I would not have the patience or fortitude to do so.

Correct me if I'm wrong bill, but are all the fine police officers not paid to do the job?? It is not Voluntary work; but a profession.

I agree with the point about the various associations etc and i believe there will come a time in the not to distant future when there will be a need for a white police officers association, just to protect the innocent officers accused of doing something that offends a person of another race/religion. There are racists and bigots in every race/creed not just the white race.

[Beachcomber]

No where can I find a White Police Association.

Of course that would be looked upon as a racist organisation.

It's a strange country we live in right enough.

I thought it odd last year when the BBC introduced it's Asian Channel, and advertised it all over the network. Imagine the uproar had they introduced a Whites-Only Channel ?

My oldest son has been a police officer for 12 years and by no stretch of the imagination could he ever be labled as a bigot or racist,but he finds that he is being discriminated against by being in the majority.

Just out of interest, and with no agenda, is your son a members of the Freemasons?

[ionnsaigh]

Bill
Let me get this correct.
1. Your son fails to see the need to have separate associations within the Police Force.
2. He See's that there is an unfair advantage - and deems that the recruitment policy is unfair.

The question one has to ask is, how does your son treat for example an Black Homosexual or Asian Muslim.
If one had the feelings generated by the aforementioned points 1.@ 2.
I wonder how your Son quite manages to circumnavigate these contradictions.
Do you think that he can work in the same fashion with, say for example- the Son a Campbeltown immigrant, and the Son of an Asian Black Christian Homosexual, who could be a member of any of the associations or all, who had been recruited in your Son's opinion unfairly.
I'm sorry that I think it would be impossible to think that your Son could manage this, if he can (which Ive no doubt, you will say he can in reply) then he must by all accounts be a truly remarkable figure.
The point that I make is that both you and your Son are festering, Racist thoughts, that is the nature of becoming. Only a Racist would site these points as having some degree of validity.