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Postby ionnsaigh » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:58 am

Big Bob wrote:What about the 20,000,000 people who disagreed with Stalin who were quietly removed from the scene?


To understand the class struggle that took place in the USSR, it is necessary to try to have a more realistic image of the Russian Kulak.
At the end of the nineteenth century, a specialist on Russian peasant life spoke as follows:
" Every village commune has always three or four regular kulaks, as also half a dozen or more smaller fry of the same kidney...They want neither skill nor industry, only promptitude to turn to their own profit, the needs, the sorrows, the sufferings and misfortunes of others.
" The distinctive characteristic of this class...is the hard unflinching cruelty of a thoroughly educated man who has made his way from poverty to wealth, and has come to consider money- making, by whatever means, as the only pursuit to which a rational being should devote himself"

E. J. Dillon, from the USA, who had a profound knowledge of old Russia wrote:
" And of all the human monsters I have ever met in my travels, I cannot recall so malignant and odious as the Russian kulak".

If the kulaks, who represented already 5 per cent of the peasantry, had succeeded in extending their economic base and definitively imposing themselves as the dominant force in the countryside, the socialist power in the cities would not have been able to maintain itself, faced with this encirclement of bourgeoisie forces.
82 per cent of the Soviet population was peasant. If the Bolshevik party had no longer succeeded in feeding the workers at relatively low prices, the very basis of working class power would have been threatened.
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:12 am

ionnsaigh wrote:
Big Bob wrote:What about the 20,000,000 people who disagreed with Stalin who were quietly removed from the scene?


To understand the class struggle that took place in the USSR, it is necessary to try to have a more realistic image of the Russian Kulak.
At the end of the nineteenth century, a specialist on Russian peasant life spoke as follows:
" Every village commune has always three or four regular kulaks, as also half a dozen or more smaller fry of the same kidney...They want neither skill nor industry, only promptitude to turn to their own profit, the needs, the sorrows, the sufferings and misfortunes of others.
" The distinctive characteristic of this class...is the hard unflinching cruelty of a thoroughly educated man who has made his way from poverty to wealth, and has come to consider money- making, by whatever means, as the only pursuit to which a rational being should devote himself"

E. J. Dillon, from the USA, who had a profound knowledge of old Russia wrote:
" And of all the human monsters I have ever met in my travels, I cannot recall so malignant and odious as the Russian kulak".

If the kulaks, who represented already 5 per cent of the peasantry, had succeeded in extending their economic base and definitively imposing themselves as the dominant force in the countryside, the socialist power in the cities would not have been able to maintain itself, faced with this encirclement of bourgeoisie forces.
82 per cent of the Soviet population was peasant. If the Bolshevik party had no longer succeeded in feeding the workers at relatively low prices, the very basis of working class power would have been threatened.


You should give credit where credit is due. 100% of that was cut and pasted from "Another view of Stalin" by Ludo Martens. It was pretty easy to find. It was the 5th item down when one googled "Russian kulaks."
http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/node30.html
http://www.plp.org/books/Stalin/node31.html

Here is a little something about the author: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludo_Martens
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Postby Rumpole » Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:20 am

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:You should give credit where credit is due. 100% of that was cut and pasted from "Another view of Stalin" by Ludo Martens.


Ah, Ionnsaigh, my old luvvie.

You've been outed as a copy-cat communist. How sad.
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Postby ionnsaigh » Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:01 am

Bobbie,
and...
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Postby Sweltered » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:42 pm

Spotted that straight away. THe big give away was that it was lucid.
OOH did they knock down McCaigs folly.....
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Postby ionnsaigh » Sat Mar 10, 2007 3:37 pm

Bobbie,
Check the post again, I'm sure you can see those wee " punctuation marks.
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:37 pm

ionnsaigh wrote:Bobbie,
Check the post again, I'm sure you can see those wee " punctuation marks.


Ionns, the quotes are in the article, where the article was quoting something. You didn't add them. :twisted: Oh, but I will give you that you changed the ' to an ". :lol:
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Postby ionnsaigh » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:31 pm

Gee ta :D
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Postby Rumpole » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:55 pm

The counterfeit communist, hoist by his own Pushkin!

Ah, Ionnsaigh, my own darling, I think there's more garlic than gaelic running through your veins.
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:34 pm

But this is a fine example of communism.. one man does all the work, everyone shares the credit :lol: :lol:

Ionns, I think you should demand an equal share of the profit from his books.
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Postby Big Bob » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:17 pm

What about the 20,000,000 killed by Stalin?
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Postby ionnsaigh » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:34 pm

Big Bob,
What hapend to disagreed and quietly removed?
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Postby Big Bob » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:36 pm

it happened
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Postby ionnsaigh » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:38 pm

Bobbie,
The Marxist who never refers to Marx
The Christian- the bible
The Muslim the Koran
Gives a break, it doesnt suit you trying to be petty.
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Postby Big Bob » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:39 pm

I don't understand how 20,000,000 is petty
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