Shorter sentences for murder

[vinyl junkie]

The old executioner Pierrepoint admitted that the death penalty did not stop people killing others.petewick

But anyone he hanged never killed anyone again!!!

[bill]

EXACTLY VJ,,

People give up their right to life when they take life from an other.

[ionnsaigh]

Bill,
" People give up their right to life when they take life from an other "
Again it is a broad sweeping generalisation, as it fails to include exceptions.
What is interesting is where did that statement come from?, the Bible, or perhaps some right wing fascist magazine.

Say you accidentally took someones life in a car crash. Or perhaps intentionally on the field of battle. Or ending suffering by euthanasia. Does the statement include all life forms, or just the human variety.
If a surgeon happens to make a mistake on the table, do they give up their right to life. The Police who shoot and kill. The executioners of Saddam?. The nuclear bombing of Japan. All would indeed by liable, if your statement was taken literally.
This eye for eye mentality, stretches back to the long since, discredited horrors of the Old Testament. Real justice expects to include the gravity of the crime itself, and the subsequent punishment for that crime. In other words if I take out your eye, then you have the right to exercise both aspects of justice, the crime and punishment. Why should the innocent and the guilty suffer equally, The cost of one innocent eye by these standards, is two guilty eyes.

[petewick]

The old executioner Pierrepoint admitted that the death penalty did not stop people killing others.petewick

But anyone he hanged never killed anyone again!!!

And some people he hanged never killed anyone in the first place.
This was proved many times over later through confessions and forensic proof.
Additionally as I have written elswhere on the forum Pierrepoint lived out his retirement in regret and mournful remorse for what he had done for King and Country, especially when the above mentioned new information came to light over the years.
Myra Hindley and Ian Brady narrowly escaped the noose as we all know.
Brady never wanted to be released as he knew/knows he would'nt last an hour on the streets.
Hindley however craved release, to have children, she was locked away from society from the day she was convicted to the day she died, denied the two things she wanted more than anything, liberty and children, if that's not punishment, I don't know what is.
I share everyones sadness, frustration and anger every time a child is murdered and understand that some people think that execution in these cases the be the best solution.
I say to all those with suggestions of methods of execution, would you carry out the slaying? If the death penalty was an option in this country, would you have executed the two 10 year olds who killed James Bulger?

Think aboot it.

petewick

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Bill,
" People give up their right to life when they take life from an other "
Again it is a broad sweeping generalisation, as it fails to include exceptions.
What is interesting is where did that statement come from?, the Bible, or perhaps some right wing fascist magazine.

Maybe he actually thought it up himself

[bill]

Ionns I am talking about premeditated murder

"Premeditated murder is the crime of wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so, in order to either increase the likelihood of success, or to evade detection or apprehension"

[bill]

I say to all those with suggestions of methods of execution, would you carry out the slaying? If the death penalty was an option in this country, would you have executed the two 10 year olds who killed James Bulger?

YES and YES

I know it is always easy to say you would do something when you know there is no chance of it ever happening.
I firmly believe that I would have no hesitation in carrying out the lawful execution of convicted murderers.

[bill]

Maybe he actually thought it up himself

What is interesting is where did that statement come from?, the Bible, or perhaps some right wing fascist magazine.

Thank you Bobbie.

The last time I read the Bible Ionns would be when I used to attend Sunday school at Lorne St. church. As for a right wing/left wing/middle wing/chicken wing magazine,I would'nt thank you for it even if I had run out of super soft padded Andrex.

[bill]

Extract from todays paper...........

The judge at Reading Crown Court, Mr Justice Bean, said Palmer must spend at least 20 years in jail for his “savage and brutal” attack with a 7in hunting knife.

He told him: “It is obvious that you are a very dangerous young man. They had done no harm to you or anyone else. They were boys with the whole of their lives before them — dearly loved by their families and popular with their friends.

“All this was wiped out in a matter of minutes.”

Palmer was 18 when he turned on his two pals after they teased him in woods near Wokingham, Berks.

He almost severed Steven’s head and stabbed him five times with the blade he bought for £35 in a discount shop.

Then he went for terrified Nuttawut, known as T—Wood, and knifed him 25 times.

School cleaner Palmer admitted the killings but denied murder, claiming he was mentally ill. The jury found him guilty.

The court had heard Palmer was obsessed with violent horror films. His favourite was The Last Horror Movie, in which a serial killer videos himself slitting throats.................................


Another who should now be counting down the days to his execution.

[Beachcomber]

Another who should now be counting down the days to his execution.

No waiting required. He should have gone stright from the dock to the scaffold.

[petewick]

I say to all those with suggestions of methods of execution, would you carry out the slaying? If the death penalty was an option in this country, would you have executed the two 10 year olds who killed James Bulger?

YES and YES

I know it is always easy to say you would do something when you know there is no chance of it ever happening.
I firmly believe that I would have no hesitation in carrying out the lawful execution of convicted murderers.

What you are saying then is that you would have no hesitation in killing children?

Dear dear Bill.

[ionnsaigh]

Beachcomber,

"Straight from the dock to the scaffold"

You obviously don't find the act of killing, as being a brutal savage crime, set against humanities higher principles. Or to be more precise you seem to justify state sanctioned killing in the name of what ?, justice your type is cloaked in the emotional desire for the ultimate form of retribution, death.

Your punishment is the very thing that society finds so abhorrent, the premature ending of life. So you can kill in the name of your own bitter sweet, skewed version of justice. The person who has been murdered, may share a similar belief, that killing is wrong, so how would justice be done if we carried out your punishment, you might feel better having ended a life, the murdered persons opinion would be ignored, alas a type of double jeopardy for the innocent.

As far as premeditated murder is concerned, as in any fair society, circumstances would be under strict public scrutiny, and would be ultimately reflected in the punishment and rehabilitation of the offender. If rehab where to last a lifetime then so be it.
Would you willingly take your one of your own to the scaffold.

[ionnsaigh]

Bill,
The guy claims illness
the cause such dark an deadly deeds
you prepare the rope
big small the old the young
matter not they got swung

Bitter bitter bitter bill bitter bill
smirk as you lead babes to the rope
for you with justice there comes no hope
bill bill bill bitter bill bitter

Swing swing swing sweet seductive smile
tae weep tae cry they gonnae fry
a granny on the rope for you no joke
sweet sweet sweet swing revenge is mine, shouts silly billy swing sweet sweet swing.

[bill]

Another inane attempt at poetry instead of constructive criticism.

Petewick why bring in to the discussion two 10year olds? You and I both know that no British judicial system is ever going to sentence a 10year old to death.

"Between the ages of 10 and 14 you can be convicted of a criminal offence if the prosecution can show you were aware that what you were doing was seriously wrong. For example, the case of Jamie Bulger, who was killed by two 10 year olds, was based on this principle. The prosecution showed that the two boys knew that what they were doing was seriously wrong and they were given prison sentences.

After the age of 14 the law considers you are fully responsible for your actions in the same way as an adult. As such you will be treated as an adult in a court of law in terms of criminal responsibility (although not in terms of sentencing)."........extracted from youthinformation.com

[petewick]

Bill, they killed another child, and you said that you would have no hesitation in slaying a killer.

petewick