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Postby Sheik Yir Erse » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:51 pm

Most Universities don't allow references from Wikipedia, it's not classed as a reliable source....


Hadn't realised we were attending University? The reason I used the Wikipedia source is that it's more accessible to the masses than the stuff that is available on http://www.ipcc.ch - which is probably one of the worst websites ever to navigate! The wikipedia entry gives a reasonably succint summary of the latest report.

I would say from your previous posts, you've shown yourself to be a reasonably intelligent person :) Let's not go down the road of what classes you've been to and what classes I've been to tho :-)

You'll always be able to find counter arguement and denial for every possible topic on the web! I've had a look at the URL's and some I'd seen before. I'm aware of Marc Sheppard's work from my own profession and alot of his stuff is extremely opinionated, even when not talking about Global Warming. When you get to Chirac being a 'clown' and Gore being an 'ego-maniac' you start an insight into his personal biases. If his work had less of this, it might be more objective.

As far as I'm aware the IPCC has conducted the largest ever study into climate change. I don't believe they set out to have an overtly PC agenda.

And for every Galileo and Einstein reference you can have a counter arguement. Not sure how long you've been in the States, but one simple example was in 1998 when scientist Dr Andrew Wakefield announced his research showed a link between MMR and Autism. This led to MMR vaccination rates dropping to 60% in some areas of the UK. Although there was mountains of evidence to suggest otherwise, only recently have we finally quashed the myth that there is a link between the two. He's also being investigated for serious professional misconduct. So single scientists can do alot of good as well as alot of harm.

One of my biggest issues with the whole debate is there is no great debate, you get one side of the story or the other. There is no balanced view. It's either all right or all wrong. My personal opinion is that the cause is human related, yours is obviously different. Therefore we're probably going to have to agree to differ on this one, hopefully the effects of climate change (however we think it is caused) won't cause either us to leave the planet any sooner than expected :-)

PS. London's big but Biggar's Biggar :lol:
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Postby Sweltered » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:22 am

It wasn't my intention to get into a pissing contest, I just can't stand the way Gore is regarded as the second coming. If Ross Perot had made this documentary (poor example I know) he would have been regardede as a looney. I hate the way all objectivity goes out the window. It makes no difference who is right or wrong, it all comes down to whether or not we can do anything about it...

Well just have to agree to disagree.
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:07 am

If the democratic nominations were held today, percentage of votes each candidate would get:
Hillary Clinton 38
Barack Obama 23
Al Gore 11
(7 other names below this point)

Clear the froth and calm down. We don't believe he is Jesus, honest. I hope he continues his fight for the environment and continues making movies and lecturing. That seems to be where he can do the most good. He isn't the top choice of most democrats to be nominated (as you can see above), but if he were nominated I would vote for him before a republican. To be honest, at this point, I'd vote peewee herman before another Bush, and I don't know where peewee stands on the environment.

(p.s. Just thought you would appreciate that I almost made a typo and called it the demoncratic nominations) :lol: :lol:
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Postby Sweltered » Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:01 am

I guess you missed all the gushing at the Oscars. And just to repeat myself, I don't care what his politics are. He would have been as bad as Bush, and so will the next one. They cant help themselves.
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Postby WLB123 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:35 pm

Didn't Churchill say if you were not a Liberal when you were young you did not have a heart but if you were not a Conservative when you grew up you did not have a brain?

I could not agree more.
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Postby Sweltered » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:47 pm

And didn't Bchman Turner overdrive say "Looking out for number one"
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Postby mary,queen of everything » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:14 am

the radio show I was just listening to says that a giant solar flare will take out most of the planet sometime in the next 50 years, so none of it makes any difference now.
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:02 am

LOL Mary. Hopefully, Haley's comet will come back and take us all out beforehand, but I think we have to all do ourselves in before it will take us. Was that Coast to Coast by any chance?
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Postby Beachcomber » Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:54 am

Interesting article on global warming in this morning's Independant:

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/climate_change/article2480994.ece

The accelerated melting of the Greenland glaciers has created a new island.
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Postby Hadrians hiring! » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:35 pm

Bobbie En Tejas wrote:LOL Mary. Hopefully, Haley's comet will come back and take us all out beforehand, but I think we have to all do ourselves in before it will take us. Was that Coast to Coast by any chance?


No they only had ''The Hucklebuck'' :roll:
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Postby mary,queen of everything » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:53 pm

yes Bobbie was C to C, in these parts its much better listening than the rest of the radio drivel thats sent out
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:20 pm

Mary, I love listening to it when I catch it. Some seems plausible, some you take with a grain of salt. Interesting program.
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Postby mary,queen of everything » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:05 pm

hope the twisters are missing you today
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Postby Bobbie En Tejas » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:26 pm

Mary, we had severe thunderstorms last night and tornado warnings in our area, but looks like the real damage is in north Texas and south of us along the border.
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Postby mary,queen of everything » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:05 pm

thats good, Im at the end of tornado alley so about another 3 weeks until we start with the big storms
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