Missing Toddler in Portugal

[Bobbie En Tejas]

You think a bereaved parent from the UK travelled all the way to Portugal to kidnap a child just to have to sneak her back into the country to raise as their own? stttretttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttcccchhhhhhhhhh

[ionnsaigh]

Bobbie, maybe- who knows.

[Sweltered]

DI you see the comment made by the uncle...

If you look at the layout of that place, it was entirely safe. The issue at stake here was, that the flat was broken into, and wee Madeleine was abducted

What a moron, how could it be "entirely safe" SHE WAS ABDUCTED. I'm still unclear as to how long the children were alone. All reports said that they were checked regularly, every half an hour, but for how many hours....

I think there's more to this.

[general jack o'niell]

there usually is, apparently they were part of a group of doctors and non of them left their children supervised, don't think a prescription for antibiotics will sort this?

but then doctors are never slow off the mark, i went to see mine with a thing on my leg on feb 2nd, he took a quick glance at it from a distance of about five feet, pronounced that it might, but probably wasn't cancerous and i should see a skin specialist, which he would arrange, i'm seeing him on 21st of this month, good job it's nothing serious, just a big weeping sore on the back of my leg thats been there for six months, still, i'd trust him to keep an eye on my kids, or his own even.

[ionnsaigh]

You think a bereaved parent from the UK travelled all the way to Portugal to kidnap a child just to have to sneak her back into the country to raise as their own? stttretttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttcccchhhhhhhhhh

No I don't think that someone travelled to Portugal to kidnap her. However perhaps the crime was opportunist in nature. Why take the oldest child ? this may have sexual overtures. What type of security has the complex , can anyone walk in or out ?.Bereavement particularly when a child is concerned, would I imagine be in some people a mind changing phenomenon, one that would obscure rational thought and behaviour. So I would reflect prior to making ready judgement on the validity of any suggestion regarding this despicably horrid type of crime.
Some posters are pointing the finger of blame in all directions, This excludes you Bobbie as your own graphic account bears witness.
The finger of blame lies squarely at the hands of the crimes perpetrator. How many where responsible is difficult to envisage, however in terms of numbers, two or three would stand a better chance of success than one. I would look closely at number Three, as this is the highest point of success. If the crime was a result of a fecked up family who lost a loved one, then the chance of a women being involved raises significantly. A grieving couple accompanied with a family friend, for some degree of comfort , attempting to get away from it all have a holiday in Portugal. Perhaps it is not that far fetched or stttrettttttttttttttttttttcccchhhhhhhh.

[MacDuff]

It surprises me (or maybe it doesn't, based on how the investigations are being undertaken thus far) that they are only now turning to CCTV footage as a line of enquiry.

Mind you, I suspect there aren't many cameras situated in and around the locality of the resort.

[general jack o'niell]

can't speak for that particular spot, but having spent several holidays in that vicinity,purely from memory, the only cctv i ever saw, apart from individual bars, bowling alley, supermarkets etc were on the seafront on the main praia da rocha strip, at the top of the main beach access, i don't recall ever seein any along the clifftop in the area under question, which not having a shopping or bar district would only have cctv in the area of the small mini-mart within the complex, much like most sections in the area. the petrol station mentioned today is about five miles away, close to the motorway.

i would like to say that this shouldn't put anyone off visiting the area, my lot would go tomorrow given the chance, the local are really friendly except for the benfica fans, mainly waitors for some reason, who usually take exception to my sons man utd shirts. oh and the local postal staff who ignore holiday makers even if you queue patiently, maybe that attitude is prevelent among the police too. i love the place, the beach, the coast and the slide parks, so if your thinking about going there, don't tlet this put you off.

here's hoping this thread ends on a positive note

[The Bairn]

I just wonder how the press would have treated the family were they not doctors. I hope and pray every morning when I turn on the radio that she has been found, it's your worst nightmare. I've only just started letting my 8 year old walk to the school gate herself from the car, I used to be late for my work because I had to see her going in the gate so I cannot imagine why two intelligent people would even think of leaving their children alone. I suspect this was not the first night they did this and someone has been watching them.

[Sheik Yir Erse]

MacD - you're right - (un)fortunately Portugal is not like the UK, there are very few CCTV cameras - those they do have all tend to be at petrol stations. This is why it's one of the last sources of investigation as opposed to the first in the UK.

[dunoon]

there usually is, apparently they were part of a group of doctors and non of them left their children supervised, don't think a prescription for antibiotics will sort this?

but then doctors are never slow off the mark, i went to see mine with a thing on my leg on feb 2nd, he took a quick glance at it from a distance of about five feet, pronounced that it might, but probably wasn't cancerous and i should see a skin specialist, which he would arrange, i'm seeing him on 21st of this month, good job it's nothing serious, just a big weeping sore on the back of my leg thats been there for six months, still, i'd trust him to keep an eye on my kids, or his own even.

not so bad up here - yes it's probably skin cancer - but removed by the doc himself in local surgery - 3 weeks tops. It wasn't thank god

[general jack o'niell]

sorry i even mentioned that, it's turning away from the subject, my fault, back to the real thread, i can't help but be suspicious of the father, don't know why, just something about him, his accent, annoying but can't try him for that, even the way he says the girls name sounds strange, i'd hate to have him as a doctor, everytime they appear on tv i feel sorry for the mother and want to punch the father, maybe i think it was his responsibility to make sure his kids were safe, i really really want to punch him, he won't need telling how its his fault, he'll know that for the rest of his days, everytime he looks at his wife or twins he'll know, but i still want to punch him, how frick stupid is the man?

if my 11yr old is five minutes late home from school, i'm out looking for her, i know anyone trying to attack her would end up a bloody pulp by her own hands but i'm still out there watching till i see her coming, how can anyone leave three small kids alone, and the bairn is right, if it had been a single mother she would have been crucified by the press, but then some people can never accept that when you have small children yo have to make sacrifices and the major one in this case is your social life, sadly they weren't prepared to make it, nor a financial on either, it would have cost less than the wine they were probably drinking to get a sitter.

[Sweltered]

Haven't seen any of the footage, but as I said earlier, I think there's more to this. If this had been a single mum, the press would indeed have vilified her, and social services would have had the twins in care by now.

There is no good reason for kids to be left alone like that, and like the Bairn said, this was probably a pattern, they may have been seen in the bar without the kids on previous nights.....

Hope she is alive, but the longer they go without finding her the less likely that she is.

[petewick]

It's getting so long drawn out and hope is fading, I can't even watch the news any more.



petewick

[general jack o'niell]

according to what i've seen today the police have called off the search, nothing like going in front of the cameras to make yet another plea, getting christiano ronaldo, david beckham etc to make appeals and have footballers wearing yellow armbands, then the police to turn round and say "well actually we've decided she's probably deid, so we're gonna stop looking, is that alright?"

[ionnsaigh]

I would like to think that the wee girl is alive and well, and living in the south coast of England, perhaps the Portsmouth, Plymouth, or Poole areas.
Human nature at times is predictable in that we react in a certain manner.
When a crime is committed, the need to escape is paramount in the mind of the guilty party. When you do something wrong you head for home and safety. I would suggest that they, One Woman, Two Men headed East and straight out of Portugal to the relative safety of a foreign country Spain. They would then turn North and head for home. The authorities should turn their attention to any CCTV footage of anyone buying three tickets from the booking hall of the Spanish port of Santander.
This isn't about sores on legs, and wanting to punch a Father who has just lost his wee girl. because of the way he speaks, for Christ sake, get a grip man.
The car that was used by the kidnappers, is a more visible than the people inside, as all cars have number plates that identify the owner. I would pay particular attention.
The reason I suspect that they, the villains are English is that it would be easier to commit the crime when you know the victims plans for that particular evening.
Maybe I'm wrong, who really knows apart from the wee girl and the abductors. Nevertheless to continue to detract from the topic only serves to show disinterest.
However let us hope that this awful mess is resolved in a happy manner.