Diana Doddi Inquest

[ionnsaigh]

Beachcomber, I don't have a problem making moral judgement on anybody Fod has the problem - not me.
Here is another judgement Adolf Hitler was a baddie

[Beachcomber]

That isn't making a moral judgement. To do so requires actual knowledge of the person; you're just name-calling, or do you perhaps feel that every woman who commits adultery deserves that title?

[ionnsaigh]

That isn't making a moral judgement. To do so requires actual knowledge of the person; you're just name-calling, or do you perhaps feel that every woman who commits adultery deserves that title?

According to your definition then - I would be wrong to say that Adolf Hitler was a tyrant - as that would be name calling.
Why do you focus on Women - when a adulterous relationship has taken place ? - Why ask - other than you have
taken something from my post that is entirely out of context.
Clearly both led a decadent lifestyle - both committed adultery against their legal spouse - both had idolatrous relationships - both were whores.
However that is completely up to them - and personally I have no problem with what other people do in their private life's. What causes great concern however - is the worship of these people - as being in some way saintly.
This only serves to belay the lie.

[Beachcomber]

I focussed on women because it was a woman you called a 'whore'.

So in your opinion anyone that commits adultery is a 'whore' ? Interesting.

[Sweltered]

LIke most people I can remember exactly where I was when she died, I was on holiday in Corfu and trying to book scuba diving, all the brit tourists were crammed into the tour operator's place bawlling their eyes out I asked what had happened and they told me Diana had been killed, when I replied "Oh, can I book the scuba diving". Judging from the looks I got you would have thought I had been chasing her when they crashed.
The most appaling thing to me was that we didn't find out that Mother Theresa had died until we got back to the UK , there was no mention of it.
We drove north during the funeral, the roads were empty, it was the quickest run up to thurso ever Still don't understand why cars were pulling off to the side of the road for the 2 minute silence, where does it say you have to be stationary?

She wasn't murdered, she died because a drunk was driving the car she was in , crashed, AND SHE DIDN"T WEAR A SEAT BELT.

She wasn't a saint, she was a very clever manipulative woman, who would have ended up with some made up title when her son becomes king.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

I'm disturbed by your post, ionns, on a few levels. But just to point out, if someone really "had no problem" with someone else's private life, I doubt they'd even think to call them a whore.

Also, you use an interesting combination of words: adultery, whore, idolatry, worship, saintly. Are you really a catholic priest disguised as an atheist?

[ionnsaigh]

I focussed on women because it was a woman you called a 'whore'.

So in your opinion anyone that commits adultery is a 'whore' ? Interesting.

What do you mean interesting ? - in what respect do you find it interesting. If you mean interesting - as a scientist studying laboratory white mice - being forced fed some unsavoury and undesirable dish - then I offer a wee word of advice. If your going to attempt to patronise - then pick on somebody of a weaker calibre - and a considerably lower level of intellect.
I personally find the word whore- to be highly offensive and derogatory to Women in particular. It is a term that I use very sparingly - if not at all. I used the term both for it's dramatic interpretation and it's provocative impact.
This was an attempt to counter the growing number of voices - that clamour - in what almost seems the Canonisation of Diana Princess Wales.
With the greatest respect Beachcomber- you have yet to voice an opinion of Diana - yet you expect to put your twopence worth in - without contributing to the core subject matter- do you think Diana was murdered on the orders of the Royal Family?.

[ionnsaigh]

I'm disturbed by your post, ionns, on a few levels. But just to point out, if someone really "had no problem" with someone else's private life, I doubt they'd even think to call them a whore.

Also, you use an interesting combination of words: adultery, whore, idolatry, worship, saintly. Are you really a catholic priest disguised as an atheist?

Bless you my child- unfrocked at last - more a result of Catholic indoctrination Bobbie - nothing to sinister. I apologise if I given cause for offence - apart from Charles and Diana - they deserve my offence.

[Beachcomber]

So in your opinion anyone that commits adultery is a 'whore' ? Interesting.

What do you mean interesting ? - in what respect do you find it interesting.

Interesting in that it suggests a very narrow train of thought.

Adulterer = 'whore', regardless of the circumstances?

With the greatest respect Beachcomber- you have yet to voice an opinion of Diana - yet you expect to put your twopence worth in - without contributing to the core subject matter- do you think Diana was murdered on the orders of the Royal Family?.

I'd say she was a flawed individual, as are we all. I didn't know her personally although my uncle lives and worked on the Althorp Estate and had known her since she was a child. I don't subscribe to the Saint Diana school but neither do I villify the dead.

The suggestion that she was assassinated by the British Secret Service on the orders of the Royal Family is laughable. I believe what happened was just a tragic accident - no more, no less.

[Annie]

Well, if you think about it, if Diana had any more children with Dodi, the child would be the half brother or sister to the heirs apparent. Thus if tragedy occurs, that child may lay claim to the throne! Other than Charles having more kids with the horse-woman, Camilla, then I don't see him having another clear blood line!

Any thoughts?

[Tosh]

She was more a concubine than a loved wife, an heir had to be produced and she was picked for the job.
She received a great deal in the way of payment so technically that does make her a rather well paid whore.
It's not a matter of morals and bears no relation to her adultery, it's a just a simple fact.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

If giving and receiving something in a relationship (which she was young enough to probably think was real) means someone is a whore, then we are all whores.

[Beachcomber]

Well, if you think about it, if Diana had any more children with Dodi, the child would be the half brother or sister to the heirs apparent. Thus if tragedy occurs, that child may lay claim to the throne! Other than Charles having more kids with the horse-woman, Camilla, then I don't see him having another clear blood line!

Any thoughts?

I'm no expert on constitutional matters but I'd have thought they'd have been excluded by virtue of not having 'royal blood'. They'd be the 'wrong half', if you see what I mean.

[ionnsaigh]

Aye yer right enough - the differences - between a ten year old single malt - and a foul cheap tasting half- are many. The latter can never lay claim to the former - as the former - to that of the latter.

[ionnsaigh]

The 10 key claims on which Mohamed Al Fayed bases his allegation that Diana and Dodi were murdered.

1. Driver Henri Paul was a informant of MI6 who was handed £2000 by secret service agents the day before the crash.

2. Paul was not drunk but has been the victim of a smear campaign to suggest that he was intoxicated and speeding.

3. Diana's phone was being monitored by MI6 and the CIA, who knew that she was about to announce her engagement to Dodi.

4. MI6 is known to be involved in assassinations, including a plot to kill the former Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic.

5. Two senior MI6 agents were based at the British embassy in Paris on the night Diana died and they orchestrated her death.

6. Diana's body was illegally embalmed in Paris to conceal an alleged pregnancy, on the orders of the British authorities.

7. The results of the autopsy examination on Henri Paul were fabricated, with blood samples switched by MI6.

8. The security services ensured that all CCTV cameras on the route taken by the Mercedes were "inoperative".

9. The crash was caused by a combination of a blinding flash from a "stun gun" and a deliberate collision with a Fiat Uno, which has never been traced.

10. The Alma tunnel, in which the crash happened, was not on the obvious route Henri Paul would have taken from the Ritz hotel to Dodi's flat and there is "no credible explanation" for why he would have