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Postby EMDEE » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:44 am

£3.73 wrote:I would love to be proved wrong on the ferry issue.

However, I've personally always felt that Kintyre's greatest asset, and greatest loss is it's people, especially the young. Too many are forced to leave to seek education/jobs etc and never come back.

It seems to me that if you are going to subsidise anything, subsidise those people, who may hold the key to future economic success for the area.

There is nothing wrong chasing inward investment. It is however shameful that there's precious little being done to stem this exodus of our own people.

(and yes, I remain sceptical at best that the White Elephant Line is the best solution to the areas economic woes).



Would agree with much of what you say here.

Campbeltown/Kintyre is not unique in losing so much of its youth through lack of local opportunity and prospects.

Depopulation has been a problem in outlying areas for decades, particularly some of the islands, and in some areas it is coupled with an influx of well-heeled retirees who are seeking the elusive “rural idyll”. This changes the demographic mix of the area and pushes up both the average age of the population and the property prices, so that in many places, the property market is outwith the reach of young locals. There is not enough social housing to fill the gap and they have to leave the area.

So far as the “White Elephant Line” is concerned, I don’t think anyone would be naïve enough to think that all of Kintyre’s economic problems would be solved at a stroke merely by virtue of he fact that a ferry is running back and forth to Ireland (with or without Ayrshire). If the ferry did come to fruition, any benefits that Campbeltown and Kintyre in general could glean from it would need to be worked for in conjunction with the relevant agencies, and would only be as a result of joined up thinking and action on economic development and strategy.

It is a chicken and egg situation. Unless a ferry service is established and confidently expected to be there for the foreseeable future, it is a risk for businesses to invest in catering for the new markets that it would open up, but conversely, unless the ferry is being supported, then it may itself be at risk.

Also, let’s not look at the ferry in an insular way. If and when it is up and running, the service, if successful, would be a national asset, and would give access to Ireland for a large portion of Scotland without having to go down through the Central Belt. (and vice versa) The ferry is not just for Campbeltown, although the town could potentially benefit greatly from it.

All of this will depend on whether the fare structure is realistic. It would be unfortunate if the service priced itself out of the market before it started.
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Postby general jack o'niell » Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:39 am

wots it to be? area won't improve prospect wise because of a ferry link, even with a ferry link or without a ferry link? a link would have to be exploited jointly by all agencies to enhance the prospects of the area, whats the alternative? sit back and wait for some white knight to come along and then decide we could use a link afterall? is there a little groundswell of opinion thinking that a link will take potential investment away from the area, or that since i wouldn't use it, that means nobody else will use it? it must be great to be the reasoned voice of argyll, the voice of a generation eh? i couldn't suppose to speak for my family nevermind anyone elses, the notion that a ferry takes money away from much needed road repairs, rather than having a ferry would speed up these repairs baffles me, but then i'm easily baffled by the differing opinions on this matter, can you imagine the people of dunoon saying "no thanks, we'd rather drive all the way round" can we not just embrace the idea and be positive about it, the sky is not now, nor is it about to, fall in, doing nothing will on the otherhand lead to the arse falling out of the area from beneath our feet, so fiddle while kintyre burns by all means, but don't complain if the burning embers spark a few flames on your own doorstep.


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FERRY SUCCESSFUL MEETING

Postby Kintyre Forum News » Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:30 pm

FERRY SUCCESSFUL MEETING

Argyll and Bute Council has welcomed the huge backing received for the reinstatement of the Campbeltown to Ballycastle ferry, following a meeting in Tarbert last week which saw over 70 delegates from Scotland and Northern Ireland discuss the potential benefits of the route.

There was overwhelming support from those attending the meeting and the route was highlighted as being a key economic driver for communities, not just within Kintyre and North Antrim, but for the North West Highlands, Northern Ireland and indeed the whole of Ireland.

Representatives included Government officials, local councillors and MSP’s, MP’s and MLA’s from both side of the Irish sea, as well as businesses and community interests.

Councillor Duncan MacIntyre, Chairman of HITRANS, facilitated the meeting and was delighted to see so many different interests having a direct opportunity to feed into the appraisal process.

He said: "The summit provided a very useful opportunity to enter into direct dialogue with officials from the Scottish and Northern Ireland Governments who were in attendance, along with MVA Consultancy who have been appointed by the Government to carry out a STAG appraisal into the route.

"The reinstatement of the route is not just about moving tourists across the Irish Sea, it is about being a key piece in the jigsaw of sustainable economic regeneration for Kintyre and North Antrim - and that means looking not just at the tourist and recreational markets but the business to business markets too.”

Delegates were asked to discuss and comment on not only the potential users and impact of the route, but also the potential add-ons which could be considered to the routing of the service. Whilst the Campbeltown to Ballycastle link is at the core of the route, suggestions were forthcoming including destinations in Ayrshire and other Scottish and Northern Ireland sites.

MVA Consultants are to report to the Scottish Executive in June or July this year and ministers have confirmed that this will be given their urgent attention.
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Postby EMDEE » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:56 am

Good news indeed! :D :D
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Postby Kintyre Forum News » Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:36 pm

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Re: Ferry News

Postby Kintyre Forum News » Tue May 06, 2008 10:09 pm

Further update in the Scotsman today at http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Ferry ... 4051810.jp

A CATAMARAN is to cut Caithness-Orkney journeys by 15 minutes to 45 minutes when it enters service in around two months.
The new Pentland Ferries vessel, Pentalina, can carry some 350 passengers and around 65 cars and lorries.

It will operate between Gill's Bay, west of John O'Groats, and St Margaret's Hope on South Ronaldsay.

The 230ft vessel is currently undergoing sea trials in the Philippines after being launched at FBMA Marine in Cebu last month. It is due to arrive in Scotland at the end of the month.

Pentalina will replace the 30-year-old Clansman, which Pentland Ferries said could be used for the proposed restoration of a link between Campbeltown and Bally- castle in Northern Ireland.


And good point made

1 Angus Ogg,05/05/2008 22:15:14

Slight correction needed Scotsman Ed.,

Pentland Ferries don't own the mv Clansman, they own the mv Claymore.

Still it is good to see a private, and UNSUBSIDISED company investing £10,000,000 in their new ferry.

Especially when the taxpayer has to cough up £30,000,000 to subsidise the OTHER ferry service that is competing with the private ferry operator.

One gets subsidised, the other doesn't ?

Strange old world.
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