Uniforms

[Bobbie En Tejas]

In America, servicemen/women are respected for the job they do. People want to shake their hands and have uttermost respect for them.

Americans learned a lot about the way they treated servicemen in Vietnam and no one wanted to see a repeat of that.

Absolutely, and whatever your views on the rights and wrongs of the various wars/troubles that our country is currently involved in, abusing our servicemen/women is totally out of order. Some people are incredibly ignorant. If they wish to protest against a war, target the politicians who sent the servicemen, not the soldiers.

Absolutely agree, Malky. Couldn't have said it better.

[general jack o'niell]

accepted with the good grace with which it was offered

[Martin]

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[ionnsaigh]

Martin,
Pride is a universal phenomenon - the problem however manifests itself - when a feeling of self worth - honour and respect - becomes a form of excessive - self esteem and conceit. As a wee boy you probably shared similar feelings - of any wee boy seeing his Dad in uniform. No different from a wee boy in Berlin - taking pride in the gleaming swastika - and skull and crossbones of daddies uniform. However someone who sees improper conduct - as being committed by traitorous scum - has crossed that great divide - that separates democratic freedom of expression - and differences of opinion - to a Right Wing Dictatorship. You state that these same said scum - would hide behind the armed forces - in the event of an attack on these shores by an aggressor. The attack by the aggressors in Iraq and Afghanistan - is conducted by these hero's in British uniform - a uniform that you excessively admire - and blindly uphold with high esteem.
I have no respect for monarchy - none whatsoever - your pride is in itself - both servile and dangerous. I wont show one tiny bit of respect for Britain. In fact I can't recognise this concept. I am a traitor to the British crown I will do anything - and everything to see it crashing to the ground - where it belongs with dead dinosaurs - and the like.
I spit on the Union Jack - truly the real butchers apron. You see Britain as an Island - unfortunately at the expense of the English and Celtic peoples - who have that irrefutable human right -of who and what they are - in terms of any indigenous peoples right to recognition and self respect. To be seen as a people in their own right . Your own particular narrow version of being British - fails miserably to take this into account .
Do you see Ireland as an Island ? - if that be the case - then who are the aggressors on my Fathers isle.

[Martin]

Ho hum, I was going to start this..."How dare you compare me to a Nazi", but then I realised there's no point, you are what you are and in my opinion one of those who "should be dealt with accordingly".
If you don't like it here, then f**k off to wherever. Sorry, but I really don't have too much to say to you and your kind.
I could write loads and probably loads of sh*t, but I will refrain from doing so. You are more to pitied than scolded.

[spangles]

the same scum who would hide behind those service men and woman in the event of an attack upon these shores.

Do you include pacifists and Conscientious Objectors in the above.

S

[vanadium]

the same scum who would hide behind those service men and woman in the event of an attack upon these shores.

Do you include pacifists and Conscientious Objectors in the above.

S

I thought the scum he was on about was the ones who were abusing servicemen wearing their uniforms in public.

[mrn]

as was my mother. As a wee boy I was ever so proud to trot along next to my dad when he was wearing the uniform of the Royal Air Force.
I would be proud now to stand next to any British service man or woman being abused by traitorous scum, the same scum who would hide behind those service men and woman in the event of an attack upon these shores.

Odd post considering the post you made a long time ago about your youth???

[spangles]

I thought the scum he was on about was the ones who were abusing servicemen wearing their uniforms in public.

Wasn't sure by his post but possibly that's what it was about. I am sure he will let us know in his reply.

S

[Martin]

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[spangles]

No, I do not include Pacifists and Conscientious Objectors.

Then I agree with most of what you say but I would not put my life in danger and fight to keep a King or Queen on the throne. I would only fight do it for my family and the way of life that the population of Scotland enjoys.

I think enough bloodshed was spilt in WWW1 under the banner of for King and Country.

S

[ionnsaigh]

The armed forces are there to protect the public . Why should the general public be subjected to the site of uniformed individuals - prancing about - as if they own the place. They go away and fight - for our safety in Arabstan.
Of course they fought against a section of the population in their own country - Paddystan. They even had the tanks out here in Glasgow - to put down the strike - by force of arms.
How can you Martin - expect pride from the families - who's relatives where interned without trail in Ireland. My great grandfather - was put up against a wall - in a home - that he himself built - and was summarily executed by the Black and Tans. He was a man who loved the idea of freedom - from the English yoke - Apparently as a young man he came over to Scotland - fell in love with a Glasgow girl - and the Scottish people - he went back home to work - partly because of religious and race discrimination of the day - so apparent in the west of Scotland. He died a commander in the Irish Republican Army. Am I proud of my grandfathers uniform - in a way yes - as his was the uniform of the worker and the republic . In other words he lived - fought and died - dressed in farmers labourers clothes. Keep your adoration for the English - and their bright red tunics - for they brought death destruction and squalor - to the people of my nation - Scotland.

[Ross]

The armed forces are there to protect the public . Why should the general public be subjected to the site of uniformed individuals - prancing about - as if they own the place.

Why should anyone be it a member of the armed forces, a nurse or a postman be predujiced against for going about their daily buisness whilst wairing there work clothes.

Keep your adoration for the English - and their bright red tunics - for they brought death destruction and squalor - to the people of my nation - Scotland.

Last time I checked it was the British armed forces not the English irrelevant of what you may think of the union.

[gizmo]

Malky hit the nail on the head when he said "If they wish to protest against a war, target the politicians who sent the servicemen, not the soldiers." As to the Paddystan comment not going to bite on that one, sorry.. However I am quite sure your late lamented Gt G/father would have acted differently should he have had a soldier in his sights.. Cest la guerre... Also it is British forces, not English, please dont forget Scotlands contribution to the forces over the years and finally red tunics have been out of fashion for a good long while now....... Some things never change...... Its Tommy this and Tommy that and chuck him out the brute etc...

[ionnsaigh]

Ross - their daily business is in the theatre of war - not Bradford or Campbeltown . Nurses are criticised for wearing their uniform outside hospital - and rightly so - at least in terms of hygiene.