Police Discrimination/ Harrassment

[petewick]

It's a shame for the kids, they're just marking time until they're
old enough to get into the pubs, not a great deal to look forward to.
The police can move them on but they just drift back.

[spangles]

Ionns as someone who lives here I can assure you it would not have been wise to have asked. You would have more likely been told to shut up or they would move you on as well, up Castlehill brae!

Even the older generation of police here would tell you that the quality of what we get now have no idea how to conduct themselves in a small town like this. They are recruits more suited to inner cities and are only here for a short time. They may have to stick to guidlines but they don't have the same standards as us when it comes to courtesy.

Any of the younger members of my family have every right to stand where they like and when they like in their own town without harrassment. We don't even have a youth cafe for them to sit with their peer groups so if they want to talk where else is there for them to go?

As said before it can only causes resentment.

S

[bill]

bill - good question -the thing happened - I had time to think about it . The officers where carrying out orders - I suspect - so I attribute no blame to those concerned. - I just felt sorry for the kids.

I would agree there Ionns,normally police officers are replying to complaints from the public, and have to be seen to be doing something.

Moving young ones on only moves the problem from one area to another.

[ionnsaigh]

The local MP should be shouting from the rooftops - what a disgrace.

[EMDEE]

It's little wonder that some youngsters go off the rails when the message that they get from the police is that they are not welcome on Main Street.

It amounts to social exclusion and is likely to do more damage than good.

It says something about the policy of the police when the assumption is that a group of youngsters is up to no good. Community policing?

Main Street was always a meeting place for this age group, but in my days we had the three cafes to go to.

[ionnsaigh]

The young ones should get together - take over an empty building - claim squatters rights - direct action - can prove useful. It would also put Kintyre - back on the political map.

[the ice maiden]

It is funny that you are mentioning a youth cafe as at present there is a group of young people driving this idea forward with the help of a local voluntary group. They have only recently formed, but so far have managed to raise £12,500. They are at present trying to secure further funding and premises. They want to have a safe place to meet, have access to video games, internet, cheap healthy food and drinks 7 nights a week.
I hope you all will support them in any funding activities that they plan, as they are trying to help each other with the development of this project rather than sit around doing nothing or worse relying on others to do it for them!

[The modfather]

How sad - The modfather,
Local infestation of blah blah blah - what a horrific - shallow opinion - you have of young people.
You have just managed to insult every parent - whose son or daughter - was in the town Good Friday night.
Shame on you.

shame upon me?

Its nothing to do with the upbringing, i am just adding a bit of background to the post.

and for the record, i am 18, hence knowing what the problems are

[ionnsaigh]

The modfather, 18 seems to be a recurring theme - you joined the forum on the 18th - your post was 180 -and of course your 18. I was 18 once - views that are firmly held and form opinion - change - with experience and time.
Your post deceived me in terms of it's sophistication - I wish I could have written as descriptively when I was 18.
My problem is that I don't consider the age of the author - when reading and replying. Perhaps I should make the effort. As to the shame thing - forget it - there is no shame attached to being 18.
Why don't you consider helping out those youngsters - who are trying to raise funds. As they seem far removed from the small small group of individuals -you accurately described. Fortunately upbringing does play a part in behaviour. Children from families who teach some degree of value and worth - will find themselves at times exposed to a form of group mentality - that may conflict with their own understanding of right and wrong. Group pressure can be a mighty foe or friend. They would far more likely listen to someone aged 18 - than an old fogey like me. I think the youth cafe suggestion - is an essential component - in terms of health and safety for our young people. I wish them every success - perhaps we should encourage a youth section ( private ) on the forum after all - we all need to communicate.

[The modfather]

The modfather, 18 seems to be a recurring theme - you joined the forum on the 18th - your post was 180 -and of course your 18. I was 18 once - views that are firmly held and form opinion - change - with experience and time.
Your post deceived me in terms of it's sophistication - I wish I could have written as descriptively when I was 18.
My problem is that I don't consider the age of the author - when reading and replying. Perhaps I should make the effort. As to the shame thing - forget it - there is no shame attached to being 18.
Why don't you consider helping out those youngsters - who are trying to raise funds. As they seem far removed from the small small group of individuals -you accurately described. Fortunately upbringing does play a part in behaviour. Children from families who teach some degree of value and worth - will find themselves at times exposed to a form of group mentality - that may conflict with their own understanding of right and wrong. Group pressure can be a mighty foe or friend. They would far more likely listen to someone aged 18 - than an old fogey like me. I think the youth cafe suggestion - is an essential component - in terms of health and safety for our young people. I wish them every success - perhaps we should encourage a youth section ( private ) on the forum after all - we all need to communicate.

the patronising approach eh?

That really has made me laugh because you have missed the point i am making.

But anyway, im not going to entertain you anymore

as they say, "dont argue with idiots, they drag you down"

[jock the boat]

Gauds sake man, what are they gan to dae at that time o night? The heroins no kicked in by that time.

Not funny. The majority of these that were moved on are schoolchildren. Don't class these children as having the same pursuits as yourself.

S

Well they al seem to be the wans taht are bangin the doors o ma den at a hooors tryin to get a haud o the skaaaaaaaag mmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaan WHOOOOSH

[ionnsaigh]

The modfather,
Initially I was disappointed on reading your post - as I assure you that I had absolutely no intention to patronize you in anyway. I intended on ignoring your post altogether - in terms of reply - however it has been biting away like a hungry wee flee all day. It has made me angry that you have accused me of patronizing. When all I gave was a completely honest account - and glowing appraisal of your descriptive ability - then you accuse me of deceptive and dishonorable conduct - how dare you.
So what point are you actually making - without your "idiot" comment please. That is a personal attack on the writer as opposed to the writers views or content.
It becomes blatantly plain - from your own mangled perspective - of the young people of Campbeltown - that you yourself suffered in some way -why other would one have - such a distorted point of view.

[Malky]

The modfather,
Initially I was disappointed on reading your post - as I assure you that I had absolutely no intention to patronize you in anyway.

Actually ionnsaigh, I thought it was a bit patronising too But I take your word for it, I don't think it was intentional.

@ ice maiden. That's a good amount they've raised so far. A youth cafe would be a great thing for the town and I hope it comes to fruition.

Malky

[ionnsaigh]

Malky, anyway back to the point - do you think that the police are discriminating - and thereby - harassing the youth of Campbeltown ?.

[Malky]

Malky, anyway back to the point - do you think that the police are discriminating - and thereby - harassing the youth of Campbeltown ?.

First off, I don't live in the town so my opinion may not be all that valid. Anyway, that said, I don't think the police discriminate against the young people - I think they can be just as discourteous to older people too. Having seen the way some police officers deal with things I am amazed that some incidents don't escalate. Wearing a police uniform and having the privileges of authority that the job brings shouldn't stop that person from having common courtesy and good manners.

Malky