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[Mod7]

Where is the little call button to complain about a thread?

If this isn't inflammatory, I don't know what is... and on a reread, you might find the answer to your own question Malky. By the way, you could easily replace the word "clique" with "the friendlies" because if anyone wanted to be included, they were included, and thats how it should be, don't you think?

Edit: I found it, lets see if it works.

I have reviewed your report bobbie and can't see any reason to delete it as you request. The reason you have given seems to be about the use of the word "Clique", which isn't inflammatory in any way.

A clique (IPA:/'klɪk/ in America, /'kliːk/ elsewhere) is an exclusive group of people who share common interests, views, purposes, patterns of behavior, or ethnicity. A clique is a subset of individuals from a larger group, who are more closely identified with one another than the remaining members of the group, and who exchange something among themselves, such as friendship, affection, or information.[1]

A clique has an informal structure, and it is composed of more than two people. All the members of the group have some type of relationship with one another, and thus the group is tightly knit together as a type of social network.

clique, coterie, ingroup, inner circle, pack, camp (an exclusive circle of people with a common purpose)

If you give a better reason for the deletion request, it will be looked at again by the moderators.

Ps. Left the report open for the other mods to review as well, thus there may be a differing opinion on the report, thus it may be removed upon general mod consensus.

[ionnsaigh]

The use of the term clique - is inflammatory - when it is directed at someone - who questions the terms validity. I had no common purpose with anyone, other than the desire to promote discussion and exchange ideas. Stargate was a collection of individuals with differing ideas - who accepted and encouraged differing opinions. I was invited to Stargate not because I agreed with Jack, on the contrary - I was picked because of my contribution to the forum - no more no less. No I can safely say that I was never a member of a clique.
The clique less one.

[Ranald]

I was picked

If you were "picked" to be part of something that other members weren't invovled in then it certainly sounds like a clique to me. Like it or not, and whether that was how it was intended or not, the stargate WAS a clique and that spilled over into the rest of the forum.

Just for the avoidance of doubt, I'm not using the word clique here to antagonise anyone so I'd suggest that anyone who finds it inflammatory is just looking for a reason to be annoyed, or venting their frustrations that they can't play with some of their pals on here anymore.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

It wasn't the word "clique" that was the reason for my request. It is the word "clique" with all the other words that did it...

I thought my clique were the people on the forum who were not here just to cause trouble. You all didn't like one person, and the biggest fault of the rest of the people who posted regularly was that they didn't dislike the same person.

Btw, I loved Auld Pop and Pete Reek and always liked Sheik and Annie and 4th gen and $7.36 (had to convert that to American dollars because I don't have a pound sign ). Always liked Bill, who has been nothing but a gentleman on this forum and added a lot. Have appreciated Hugh's sense of humor. Have really liked and appreciated many people on here through the years, some not with us any more. Are they all part of the clique? If so, I'm in good company.

You might have heard some of us more vocal about morris, because he was getting unfairly attacked. And it would be a bad friend if any of you were getting attacked and no one said a word. You might not have liked his long posts, but that was no reason to mutilate the guy. If that defense makes me part of his clique and cronies, so be it.

To get back to the topic, I haven't left in a huff. I'm still here. I don't think bill left in a huff. If I see a thread started that I think is a place I can jump in, I'll jump in. But the forum doesn't seem as inclusive and welcoming now as it did before, since times long before Morris came and for a good long time after. There is a wariness now, where before there were smiles. Maybe it will pass, but some of us have been bruised. The reason I asked for this thread to be removed is because it is full of digs. Good grief, I had a post removed recently when someone was being rude (again) and I said "ah, now we know who so-and-so is " If that was inflammatory enough to be removed, I think maybe this thread should have a second look.

[daftdog]

I thought my clique were the people on the forum who were not here just to cause trouble. You all didn't like one person, and the biggest fault of the rest of the people who posted regularly was that they didn't dislike the same person.

Just because GJ had problems with others on here, doesn't give you the right to tar us all with the same brush Bobbie. I had a few differing views and exchanged opinions in the forum and by PM with him and it didnt blow up into a heated discussion. I even exchanged my view on the Stargate with you and it was amicable.

You might have heard some of us more vocal about morris, because he was getting unfairly attacked. And it would be a bad friend if any of you were getting attacked and no one said a word. You might not have liked his long posts, but that was no reason to mutilate the guy. If that defense makes me part of his clique and cronies, so be it.

Morris was no angel himself and if he was still an active member he would no doubt agree.

To get back to the topic, I haven't left in a huff. I'm still here. I don't think bill left in a huff. If I see a thread started that I think is a place I can jump in, I'll jump in. But the forum doesn't seem as inclusive and welcoming now as it did before, since times long before Morris came and for a good long time after. There is a wariness now, where before there were smiles. Maybe it will pass, but some of us have been bruised. The reason I asked for this thread to be removed is because it is full of digs. Good grief, I had a post removed recently when someone was being rude (again) and I said "ah, now we know who so-and-so is " If that was inflammatory enough to be removed, I think maybe this thread should have a second look.

You have just made a few digs at other users now Bobbie. I don't see where you get the idea that this thread should be deleted. Malky made an observation about the way the forum looks on a normal user account. Asked why it was so quiet and made reference to "reasons he was given while a mod" no longer being in the way of people posting. Bill then jumped in to defend his pal when there was no need to do so..(move on Bill, move on) the sooner everyone forgets about the past the better. Its the KINTYRE FORUM and the longer this niggling and bitching goes on, the longer it will take to get back to a "inclusive and welcoming" forum. This is no doubt a reason some users will not post, as they probably read threads like this and think.. "naw, i'll just keep my opinion to myself, while the users still write with crayons".

This forum is a great place to be a member of. Time for the past to stay there..

[bill]

OOOOPS

I seem to have raked over some dying embers with my reply to Malky's question.

My reply was an honest answer as I see it,in no way an attempt to cause trouble.

I certainly have'nt left,a quick look in the History thread and you will find film clips and songs/poetry which I have posted.

Certainly I have'nt posted anywhere near the output that put me on the "forum addict"rank of the past.Anyways a lot of my posts were keich.

[Malky]

I certainly have'nt left,

Glad to hear it

Anyways a lot of my posts were keich.

I think we can all admit to posting rubbish on the forum.

It is the word "clique" with all the other words that did it...

That's brilliant, I really like that

I didn't mean to be inflammatory Bobbie, but like Bill I answered honestly. I'm sorry you felt the need to report the thread. In a strange way this thread might be good as it will get things out into the open - after all many people didn't know Gen Jack was banned. By the way I didn't mention his name in my first post as I felt he wasn't here to defend himself.

Anyway I'm off to sharpen my crayons, I've got some writing to do

Malky

[sooze]

must say I have noticed the decline in posts but put down to
-slightly better weather
-the new look and trying to find out where things are etc
- I either agreed with what was being said or didn't have time to reply

saying that I will make a post in the local news

Sooze

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Just because GJ had problems with others on here, doesn't give you the right to tar us all with the same brush Bobbie. I had a few differing views and exchanged opinions in the forum and by PM with him and it didnt blow up into a heated discussion. I even exchanged my view on the Stargate with you and it was amicable.

Daftdog, if you read my post, you would see that the biggest portion of the forum are people I really like. If you thought by my post that I tarred everyone with the same brush, you must not have read my post very carefully, or there is something lost in the translation.

You have just made a few digs at other users now Bobbie.

Who exactly did I make a dig at? I responded to posts that clearly included me.

Malky, glad you appreciated my line.. I kinda liked it too...

And by the way, Daftdog, I would have included you in the large group of people I refer to as "regulars". I never thought you were out to cause trouble or be nasty and appreciated your posts, even if we didn't agree on some things. Had I thought of all the names of people to include in my previous post that I have enjoyed reading and responding to, your name would have been on there.

[ionnsaigh]

Ranald, you say Stargate was a clique that spilled over to the rest of the forum. The stargate was Malky's baby not gj.

[EMDEE]

Rather than getting bogged down by involving personalities, is it not the case that contributors who are more forthright than others with their opinions act as a stimulant in the process of debate? There is nothing like controversy to encourage debate. Where everyone agrees there is no need for debate.

Some of the more controversial and forthright posters have disappeared.

I would suggest that a lot of posts that people have taken to heart in the past may have been made with tongue in cheek, and were intended in a provocative, rather than malicious way. (i.e. a wind-up)

However, having said that, one’s opinion may be different if one is on the receiving end of what could be interpreted as a personal attack.

It’s probably the case now that there are not so many regular posters with whom to differ, so the level of postings will reduce. It becomes more amicable discussion than debate.

[Govangirl]

Rather than getting bogged down by involving personalities, is it not the case that contributors who are more forthright than others with their opinions act as a stimulant in the process of debate? There is nothing like controversy to encourage debate. Where everyone agrees there is no need for debate.

Common sense and well said! Whilst I haven't understood some of the ins and outs of this thread it's been really stimulating and as Malky says, that might end up being a good thing.

[daftdog]

Bobbie

I've replied by pm and explained where i was coming from etc.

Fed up with this thread, so no longer going to post in it.

I pm'd bill to let him know i thought his post a little after mine was a good post as well.

Just fed up reading this kind of thread.

[Malky]

The stargate was Malky's baby not gj.

Well it was my idea and I created it. I thought it would be a place where GJ could practice his black arts, and as it was hidden, posts there would not annoy those who didn't like GJ's style of prose. Unfortunately it created a "them and us" situation

I still think it was worth a try

Malky

[Govangirl]

Just fed up reading this kind of thread.

Well, I think it's necessary and enlightening at the same time - so I'd like to add my tuppeny's worth. As a newcomer I had posted my first and thought I got a bit of flak for it. I now see I was being far too sensitive and on reflection was just silly so I'm not proud of that However, I do think that when you are joining, folk need to be aware of being too controversial. A new poster asked a simple request this week and got a rude reply back and then was questioned to within an inch of his life, including what football team he supported!!!!!! It wasn't as if he was signing up to son-in-law material so completely out of order.
So there, I'm going to be controversial myself!!!!!