Offensive To Muslims

[jock the boat]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2229719 ... aints.html

Now, correct me if Im wrong, but is that not ridiculous? Im well aware that about 90% of Muslims wouldnt give a toss about Rebel, but the ones that do should realise what country they are in. They come to our country and take offence at our cultures and customs. Well Im offended by their intolerance If they dont like the way our country is run, they should get the f*** out. I mean, if I went to Iran and started brandishing a Christmas Tree and walking about with a big cross, Id be shot. Fear of reprisal shouldnt make our governments pander to their every whim.

[dr-sanchez]

jock, yer a hoora man! having read the article, although everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, it is a shade ridiculous that Muslims in the Dundee area cant put up with a wee innocent puppy being the mascot for a service which is going to be helping the general public!

however i also think that

If they dont like the way our country is run, they should get the f*** out.

is a wee bitty harsh, no?

[jock the boat]

Well, its not so much the way the country is run, but they have to respect the customs of the country that they are in. It doesn't make sense for them to try to change our country into a muslim one, if that's what they want then why did they leave wherever they came from in the first place? Im all for living in harmony, but it's a two-way street.

[EMDEE]

I take it they don't insure their cars with Churchill.

[petewick]

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

[ionnsaigh]

What about our Muslims - you know the Scottish Muslims - the ones that speak with a Glasgow or Scottish accent .
You seem to think that they are all foreigners. Your the one who's post - I find offensive and racist - intolerant of anything different - than your own narrow opinion - of what constitutes culture. Personally I find the sight of a dead - murdered man on a cross - extremely offensive. Who are we however to dictate to others - by means of cultural adherence -or get out - that's not my idea of what Scottish culture is - it contradicts the values that have been handed down by our ancestors.
Away an bile yer heid.

[jock the boat]

What about our Muslims - you know the Scottish Muslims - the ones that speak with a Glasgow or Scottish accent .
You seem to think that they are all foreigners.

Eh no theyd probably come under the 90% that I mentioned. Youve come to that conclusion on your own. If youd actually bothered to read the post youdve seen that. Far be it from you though to let whats actually written to get in the way of a pointless rant. Religion has nothing to do with the originalpost, I just used the cross as an example. The point is about culture, as religion and culture are two seperate things. Maybe not to you however as I put it that you sir, are a balloon. No Scottish Muslim would be offended by dogs, and since when did Scottish culture need your permission to be what it is and isn't? Pay attention next time dummy. Just because people are being oppressed doesnt mean that when they tell you black is white then theyre correct. Id also like to know what you discerned as being my view of Scottish culture from what I wrote. Make a list and Ill see if there is any correlation.

[ionnsaigh]

Sorry Joke, I never read the post - The Molly Fisher Rock thread stunned me into a stupor.

[jock the boat]

There are 4 words in the original post that change the context, you and the good doctor seem to have jumped over these words on the way to conclusion. IF THEY DON"T LIKE. Now at this point I could choose to be very condescending but I wont, Ill only be slightly condescending. These words make it clear that no personal opinion on what the subject should do, but it offers a helpful suggestion, if they have a problem (albeit callously worded). As usual though Political COrrectness officer Ionnsaigh fails to see whats in plain sight and looks for subtexts that do not exist. Itd also be helpful if you read the whole thread rather than just the first message, then you wouldve seen that the only personal opinion I offered was that tolerance goes both ways. Also the only aspect of Scottish culture I mentioned was that we like dogs. Do you deem this to be false? The christmas tree and cross were mentioned not as aspects of Scottish culture but as non aspects of Muslim culture, (apologies to any Iranians reading, Im not too sure what actually does constitute Iranian culture, was just trying to make a point). PS Havent read Molly Fisher yet, I hope its bizarre. A good day to you sir.

[ionnsaigh]

jock the boat

The point I attempted to get over, was the evolving nature of culture. Culture has always been subjected to change, it reflects ground conditions. I think the term multi cultural sums up - the amount of different ingredients that makes the pot. The soup can change colour and taste - it remains soup however. Your stance on the matter would appear to be one of intransigence, attempting to hold back the incoming tide. A knee jerk reactionary outburst or fear - generated by threat of change to our own - wee cosy bubble. Your - if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen attitude - appears the case in fact.
Do you really think that we Scots - emigrants to every part of the world - have in any way -the god fearing right to demand compliance to a culture that refutes change. In my opinion when a culture becomes closed to change - it begins to die.
I apologise for poking fun in my previous post - I thought that I was dealing with a racist.
It's early Sunday morning - I hope that by tonight - we both can close our eyes and think - my day has been good.
Take it easy - ionnsaigh.

[Govangirl]

Jock, I too thought that the original story was indeed ridiculous but your comment on 'they come to our country' and if they don't like it, etc. went beyond the pale. I would go further than Dr-Sanchez and say it was really offensive, actually.

[dr-sanchez]

Maybe not to you however as I put it that you sir, are a balloon.

[Jock Strap]

but your comment on 'they come to our country' and if they don't like it, etc. went beyond the pale.

Why?

[Govangirl]

Because as I said in the post, I think it's offensive. I believe it to be racist and foolish. Where do you suggest they return to? If we all returned to our original roots there wouldn't be many folk left in the country!

[Jock Strap]

Because as I said in the post, I think it's offensive. I believe it to be racist and foolish.

I don't think it is offensive or racist to suggest if peope move to another country they RESPECT the rules and laws of that country.

Where do you suggest they return to? If we all returned to our original roots there wouldn't be many folk left in the country!

I think you are losing sight of his original point....

'Mon the Jocks!