Dambusters

[Govangirl]

I have no idea what that's short for but don't know if I should ask..... Ionns, it is way past your bedtime, get back in your vault!!

[ionnsaigh]

Only got up for a drink of water - my mouth was as dry as an Arabs underpants.

[smokynuk]

Okay first off, my use of LMFAO is just my wee expression of how unbelievable im finding your statements.

Secondly if you were such a proponent of bringing these words up in conversation you would have done so yourself in such a nature and not just find the most racially offensive words, string them together and call it a poem.
I agree that it is a matter of discussion, but what i find more offensive than the words is the callous nature of your so called poem. Okay i accept that you are perhaps trying to bring light to the subject, but it doesnt detract from the fact that it is highly offensive whether its for a reason or not. You simply dont do that.

You say that you are in a similar group that suffers from this type of discrimination, what are you Irish? Scottish? either or, no matter what kind of abuse you have endured due to your race, you cannot propose to know what it actually feels like to be called the words that you have actually used, in particular the derogatory remarks for blacks, asians or orientals unless you are one yourself. If you are, then i retract my argument - given its still callous, but at least you would understand the deep hurt those words cause, if not then shut the hell up.

Its always easy to band about those words when those particular words dont affect you.
Fair enough you were making a point, but without FULLY understanding the impact of your little arrangement of words, your crass behaviour has really shown how ignorant you really are.

Thats also beside the fact that if you were to read your poem out in the wrong (or right) company, again - regardless of your reason for its composition, you would most likely be charged for racial abuse.

Its lawfully unacceptable, it is offensive and the only reason its on here is because you can make such offensive remarks without recourse.

[Ship called Dignity]

Its lawfully unacceptable, it is offensive and the only reason its on here is because you can make such offensive remarks without recourse.

I too couldn't believe it was posted on here without being picked up.

I searched for the thread and it is here

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4975&p=57917&hilit=nigger+nigger+snigger#p57917

It does make you understand the content it was posted in better but doesn't make it acceptable (even the post before it too on the thread above )

Please remember to use the Report tool to report any concerns you have to the Moderators. It is quite easy to miss something so everyone can help with the board.

Ionns - give it a rest will you. Your remark about the "pigs" was way out of order the last week. Why not show us the nice side to you for a change, we all know it is there.

[ionnsaigh]

Smokynuk,

I'm sorry my poor satirical attempt - at pouring ridicule over these offensive words failed you. I supported the Anti Apartheid movement for many years. As you rightly point out - one can't arguably know what it actually feels like - to be called one of those disgusting terms - this would also include yourself in the equation. I thought I made a point, by naming communists as traitors and reds. The poem was picked out mischievously, completely out of context on another thread made Six months ago.
As a working class,former slum dweller - former catholic with Irish roots, Communist with an African family who has a learning difficulty - left handed - then I have experienced some of this discrimination.

[LANDROVER ROGER]

Could be worse,you could have had ginger hair.

I think some"chill pills"would be in order for this thread.

[Tosh]

Just remember, words alone cannot be racist, ageist, sexist, whitevanmanist or any other 'ist' .

[EMDEE]

It's case of interpretation, Tosh. Words alone don't mean anything, and it is our interpretation of them and and knowing who they come from that causes us to recoil in some cases. We all know ionnsaigh from speaking to him on the forum, and there is no way that I believe he is a racist. His poem that has been quoted is in response to one that I posted, suggesting that there is too much "political correctness" today.

I firmly believe that "political correctness" only serves to perpetuate differences.

I think that the world has become so variegated that we all know people from what is patronisingly known as "ethnic minorities" (an expression that I do not like, as it only serves to emphasise differences)

I look forward to the day when we do not need the "political correctness police", and we can all have a mutual respect for each other.

As the bard himself wrote "Man to man the world o'er shall brithers be for a' that"

I'm sure Ionnsaigh would agree with this, although he'll probably find something to disagree with. Controversial bugger that he is.

[Bobbie En Tejas]

Just remember, words alone cannot be racist, ageist, sexist, whitevanmanist or any other 'ist' .

That's true.. It is the intent of the words. I wouldn't spend two seconds on a person who can say words freely that they know are extremely offensive to other people. Low class, and not worth my time, because either they are ignorant and will stop when they realize, or they don't care and think their right to feel superior supercedes the feelings of anyone else they deem inferior.

As for the movie and the dog, the dog could be called a thousand other words and no one would notice.. I don't think the story line revolves around a name that was only meant as degrading as far back as the mid 1800's. Maybe he didn't understand the implications or maybe he thought it was funny. Just because the man was a hero or a pilot or whatever doesn't mean he wasn't ignorant about some things, and just because someone names an animal that doesn't mean everyone has to be manipulated into using it.

[EMDEE]

I understand what you are saying, Bobbie, that this word is very emotive in the USA, but this film is about a British venture against Germany, and if it is to be true to its history, it should be authentic.

Do you not think that the audience will understand that?

[Bobbie En Tejas]

The British film makers can do whatever they want with the movie and should not feel compelled to put the word in if they find it repulsive, or they can put it in if they think thats what they want to do.. its their movie and its up to them to decide, and people can decide to watch it or not.

[EMDEE]

I truly think that authenticity should be a cosideration. Ithink that anybody with any sense will make allowances for the name of the dog.

For Christs's sake, he only has a minor part in the film!

[Tosh]

Just remembered that there are several clips of the original film used in The Wall (Pink Floyd film) including the clip where the dog has been killed.
"it's Nigger sir, he's dead" is the quote I remember.
Nobody in their right mind could think that clip was racist when seeing it in context.
Similarly Ions poem falls in the same area as Alf Garnet, the parodying of racism is sometimes misunderstood by the racists themselves.

[White Van Man]

...this film is about a British venture against Germany, and if it is to be true to its history, it should be authentic.

It'll be interestin' to see how many american accents they manage to slip into the storyline..

[£3.73]

...this film is about a British venture against Germany, and if it is to be true to its history, it should be authentic.

It'll be interestin' to see how many american accents they manage to slip into the storyline..

Quite a few I'd Imagine WVM.

617 squadron ("The Dambusters") was truly multi-national, drawn from all parts of the Commonwealth, USAF, Poles, Free French ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._617_Squadron_RAF
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise