The Reform of the Welfare System

[bill]

Welfare system

Rule no. 1...If you are capable of working but decide not to and you have never paid into the system then you DO NOT GET PAID ANY BENEFIT.

Rule no.2....Refer to rule no.1

[ionnsaigh]

Welfare system

Rule no. 1...If you are capable of working but decide not to and you have never paid into the system then you DO NOT GET PAID ANY BENEFIT.

Rule no.2....Refer to rule no.1

That rule should be applied to the royal family.

[bill]

That rule should be applied to the royal family.

Are benefits not means tested these days ?

Surely The Royal family would be over the limit ?

[ionnsaigh]

So they wont get their old age pension then - As for over the limit is concerned - they have never paid National Insurance - yet we pay these parasites - millions of pounds each year. Holding them up as special people - yet call people - entitled to the small amount of money available - through benefits - as being scroungers - how utterly converse.

[SARID]

In answer to an earlier post, not for a one minute was I suggesting that the poor should not have children.
In my opinion, couples with any sense, only have the number of children they can afford.
I have no objections to parents, who are prepared to work,but can only earn the minimum wage, being paid
additional benefits to improve their standard of living.
In the last few years, I have read,on more than one occasion,workshy parents complaining that their
Council were refusing their application to have two houses knocked into one ,to accommodate their
large brood of children. That I object to !! They are the ones who seem to think that it's the duty of the
State to provide them with all they consider their right to have ,and they have no need to contribute.

[ionnsaigh]

It is the duty of the state to provide - and yes, for whatever the reason - they do not have to contribute. That is why it's called the Welfare State. I really don't have a problem contributing - to the benefit of others. As for the so called workshy, any society will always have - a small percentage of members that are dysfunctional - that is only to expected. One must take into account the changing family nucleus. Perhaps iv'e picked you up wrongly, your posts regarding single mothers. You appear to cast moral judgement - on young single Mothers - or for that matter single parents. How utterly tragic, that some young people have to get pregnant - in order to get a rundown council house, in a rundown estate. This is the fault of the councils, rather than these poor unfortunates.

[four eyes]

ahh,you say it all so much better than me ionns,good to know there are still some decent people out there.If people lose their compassion then they lose their souls.What ever became of caring for your fellow man?

[bill]

It is the duty of the state to provide -

There was me thinking all my life that it was my duty to provide for my kids.

My parents also were under the same misconception.

Hope the scroungers leave enough in the pot for my old age pension when it's time for me to receive my due.

[Govangirl]

Ionns, you're wasting your time son, there will always be those who will think only of themselves. They're Thatcher's children and sadly, proud of it.

[gizmo]

I think you will find most reasonable people know the system is there as a safety net for all.. No-one ever knows if they will need it one day but I am sure the criticism of scroungers is aimed purely at those who have no intention of contributing at all.. Not 100% sure but I dont think it was Mrs T who said "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.". The system was never designed for some people to sit on their arse while others knock their pan in to allow them the luxury...

[Govangirl]

Gizmo, I couldn't agree with you more but there is this assumption that they are all scroungers! No matter what the situation, you will always find a small minority who abuse the system. As the great saying goes:
'Have compassion for all beings, rich and poor alike; each has their suffering. Some suffer too much, others too little.' Buddha

I thank God for many things, Gizmo - not having to live in poverty is one of them.

[gizmo]

I dont think many people believe anything other than a minority abuse the system, not too sure it is a small minority though. I think we all know of cases of people not being completely honest when asking for help.. If this was cut right back then the money saved could be given to those in genuine need.. I dont advocate stopping help, just targeting it at those in genuine need.

[ionnsaigh]

It is the duty of the state to provide -

There was me thinking all my life that it was my duty to provide for my kids.

My parents also were under the same misconception.

Hope the scroungers leave enough in the pot for my old age pension when it's time for me to receive my due.

Now here's me thinking you - your kids - went to a state school - went to the public library - used public toilets - buses, had running water and sewerage - swimming baths - health clinics - doctors nurses teachers - refuse collection - street lighting - stuff like that. At the end of the day - it's our money that pays your sons wages.

[four eyes]

mmmm, most people will be happy to work cash in hand,get tradesmen to forget the vat,fiddle their taxes etc and still think they ere honest citizens.But some poor sod on the dole deserves a good kicking and a load of verbal shite at the least excuse.strange world we live in.the poor always get a bad press,consider yourself lucky if you dont have to sign on.
i would guess 99% of the so called hard working non benefit claiming moaners would be more than happy to screw the taxman over at every oppertunity.
where theres a big fortune there is usually a big crime somwhere along the way.

[Govangirl]

Four eyes, if I was giving out the awards in the Honours List, you'd be at the top for sheer wisdom and compassion combined. And when you're talking about the smug brethern willing to cheat on taxes, don't forget insurance scams. All the best to you for 2009 and please continue to be the voice of reason on here!